Could easily be consistent with *some* of the Zimmerman stories about what happened.

It certainly limits things though

Zimmerman said Trayvon actually had the gun.. did he say that at one point??

The pistol was concealed, it is unknown if Martin even knew Zimmerman was armed.

What matter is what is said in court. This limits any story about them fighting over the weapon. In the end this will be many small items that only fit together one way, not a single piece of damning evidence. That is not what many want, expecting Gill Grissom to show up and have just such an item.

if Zimmerman had been within a few feet of Martin when the gun went off. So unless Zimmerman's arms are six feet long, how could they have been struggling with each other a moment before Martin was shot?

Be interesting to see if the prosecution goes with a theory along those lines. Also be interesting to see what the defense theory will be. Both sides with have computer recreations, experts, and all sorts of things. It will no doubt get stellar ratings for Court TV and Nancy Grace. I also hope there is justice.

As I have said, while there is no single damning piece of evidence like a video tape and Gill Grissom has retired. Still there more than enough small pieces that can only fit together one way to convict Zimmerman. Not as flashy, doesn't make good TV, but the only reasonable outcome is a conviction.

CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57515801-504083/trayvon-martins-dna-not-found-on-george-zimmermans-gun-forensic-tests-say/

as much as the breaking news seems to indicate..

This is great news

this is going to be interesting.

(That's a thoughtful "huh," not a confused one.)

important. But given the lies that have already been manufactured over and over in this case, it might be a moot point, I don't know.

Poor Georgie's house of cards is starting to fall over.

According to Zimmerman, he and Trayvon struggled over the gun right before he shot him. If Trayvon's DNA isn't on the gun, it greatly weakens Zimmerman's claim of self defense.

Stories (purportedly from Zimmerman) I have read said they were on struggling on the ground, Zimmerman's head was being pounded and he drew the weapon and fired.

What this does is destroy any claim that Martin touched the gun and therefore limits what the defense can claim happened.

This is a case of lots of little pieces that can only fit one way. No slam dunk damning item is out there. Doesn't mean Zimmerman will get away with it, just that there is no single item on which the cases depends on.

story "worded" it makes it sound like he claimed Trayvon grabbed his gun. Some accounts don't read that way. We'll see..

The only story that will matter will be the defense theory of the case which we will see in court. They have clamped down on all information otherwise.

I believe that large amount of small items should be ample to convict Zimmerman, though many still yearn for Gill Grissom to show up.

Leaks from the police report detail Zimmerman telling police he was heading back to his truck when Martin knocked him down with a punch to his nose, jumped on him, repeatedly banged his head on the ground, then tried to grab Zimmerman's gun.

In a struggle for Zimmerman's gun, the watchman shot the teenager, Zimmerman told police.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UFoGv1FXmS3

pure and simple.

Amara (however he spells his name) just saw the hinge of his defense case fall apart.

I expected to see a lot of full-throated Zimmerman theories on this thread. Must be early.

you know what I mean?

(And that was a central part of the defense... poof)

this is what I find funny about the whole charade.

we see the news and we post what we think in response.

the folks we're talking about will show up en masse parroting the same points, but not until they figure out what those are.

all quite transparent if you ask me.

The first posters all hammered him onlyh to be refuted by one or two shills who tried to derail every argument with nonsense.

Seems likely that will happen here too.

It's going to be fractalized pretzels at this point.

rot in hell, Zimmie.

If Trayvon was on top and Zimmerman was fighting him off, wouldn't some of Trayvon's DNA, and fibers from his clothes, get on Zimmrman's clothing and hands? If these were on his hands, wouldn't some get on the grip (?) of the gun?

This would make me think that Zimmerman's hands were clean when he took out his gun. Maybe I just watched too much of the OJ trial.

paid off !

Good point..

preferring to use a more "traditional" self-defense approach:

"Mark O'Mara, who is defending George Zimmerman against a second-degree murder charge after the fatal February shooting, said the traditional self-defence approach was appropriate because the facts suggested his client could not retreat from a beating Martin was giving him."

guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 August 2012 18.44 EDT

Well, this is what trials are for. Most attorneys I spoke with -- all liberal -- said that Zimmerman would probably employ a standard self-defense strategy because SYG, despite all the hand-wringing, wasn't really a factor.

head, hair, face, and Zimmerman's DNA and/or fiber be on Trayvon, especially his hands? Unless its under wraps, I just can't image they the coroner(s) did not do forensic work or had to analyzed by experts.

Did they confiscate Zimmerman's clothing? When did he shoot Travyon? When Trayvon was on top of him? Or did Zimmerman get him off and shoot him when Trayvon was on the ground and he was standing over him as one witness said? Wouldn't the position when the shooting took place determine self-defense, and even SYG.

Forensics, and hopefully they took the evidence, will be the determining factor.

I hope his family is doing as well as can be expected.

media frenzy has 'died down', must be simply unimaginable and devastating. They are alone with their tragic loss. Very, very sad.

It is just another Larry Klayman stunt.

http://www.citizensgrandjury.com/

Are you saying it is him, or what he's benn writing? I'd rather not go there. Glad to see it isn't just me or taking that they wrong way. Gosh, too bad they don't have another kid to get killed and get more money from? Smelling like roses my ass

" Leaks from the police report detail Zimmerman telling police he was heading back to his truck when Martin knocked him down with a punch to his nose, jumped on him, repeatedly banged his head on the ground, then tried to grab Zimmerman's gun.

In a struggle for Zimmerman's gun, the watchman shot the teenager, Zimmerman told police."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UFoKBa62BhH

No duh.

and doesn't this just give Zimmerman and his attorneys clues to navigating and refining their testimony regarding the events?

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

The gun evidence is important because Zimmerman told Sanford police he opened fire only after the 17-year-old pinned him to the ground and reached for the gun he wore holstered on his waist.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-new-20120919_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records