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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy Republican friends are turning cartwheels
trying to explain the whole 47% thing. It's become entertainment for me.
One went through and re-wrote on Facebook what he said as what he SHOULD have said. (And what he wrote didn't sound much better to me and I explained why.)
One said his words were taken out of context and that whenever he's caught in a "gaffe" it's always out of context but when Obama says something like "you didn't build that" he really means it. (To which I asked how the 47% statement was out of context and gave the context of the "build that" thing.)
One said it's an example of how the media wants Obama in the White House. (I just laughed at that.)
They're standing behind him, but they're having to work hard at it. They're going nuts about this and they haven't gotten particularly upset about anything else he's done. This was it. This was the one that really got to them. They're backing him up but they know how bad it is.
I can't wait for Election Day. I plan to make it a holiday. We're going to order pizza (not Papa Johns ROFL but a local place) and watch the returns come in. I predict an enjoyable night.
But that doesn't mean you should stay home! No no no - go and vote and vote straight party. Let's get some coattails going here!
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Your current crop seem kind of, to put it politely, 'low information'.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They just don't like it.
Yes, some of them drive me nuts. You don't have any Republican friends? We get along generally when it isn't election time and we stay away from a few conversation points.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Some of my family on the other hand, bless their hearts, are old school moderate republicans. They seem to get most of their ideas from television and don't go very deep into issues. I love them of course and we've all learned to not discuss politics too much - and know when to stop.
I was just teasing about your friends, btw.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Well Michigan so fairly blue these days.
I didn't take offense. I've wondered myself about some of them lately.
Rider3
(919 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I cant wait to be an obnoxious ass on Nov 7. I've got to go pick up a few bottles of expensive Belgium beer and decide which of my Cubans I'm gonna smoke after I get finished working the polls (election place not the dance poll at the Itchy Kitty).
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Those are MY tips!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)a mom who is living mainly on Social Security, or we have a niece or a grandson or know that the child of a good friend is serving overseas in a combat zone. Many of us live on the same street as someone getting by on disability. And most of us interact every single day with the working poor: the server behind the counter of a low-cost restaurant, the greeter or cashier at a big-box store, the janitor who cleans our office. Okay, we probably don't interact that last person, but he or she is important to our work environment.
Even if we ourselves pay income tax, as well as payroll taxes, we all pay sales taxes and property taxes. Yes, even if you rent you pay at least part of your landlord's property tax. You just don't get the credit for it. And so on.
Also, hardly anyone has focused on Mitt complaining that the 47% think they are entitled to health care. Clearly, then, he believes that you only deserve health care if you can afford it.
I'm lucky. I have what I call the Republican Health Care Plan. I'm very healthy. (Actually, I have health care through my job, but I'm still the most amazingly healthy person I know.) And it enrages me that some people think others don't deserve basic health care.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I mean, wow. People think in a country like the US they shouldn't be left to starve in the streets. How dare they.
I am not in the 47% and have great health care through my husband's work, so I guess I'm part of the 51% he thinks will vote for him? ROFL. No way. Although I don't personally have an income so maybe I am part of the 47%, but then if I am, Ann Romney is too. Hmmmm.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)For about 80 percent of us, maybe more, where we fit in is, as you pointed out so very well, much more complicated than being in the 47% who don't pay income taxes or in the 53% who do.
For one thing, some significant percent of that 53% still don't have a lot of money. Just because you make enough to pay income tax, doesn't mean you're rich and are therefore unfairly over-taxed, as Mitt and his ilk seem to think they are.
Many years ago a co-worker got a raise which pushed him up into a higher income bracket, and he complained bitterly about the additional income tax now being taken from his paycheck. I asked him, "Are you taking home as much as you used to?" He said actually, he was now taking home a little more. I wish I'd then said, "Then what are you complaining about?"
This was long before the current "all taxes are bad" crap, and I've long since lost track of this man, so I will not make any assumptions of what he would be thinking today. But he's a prime example of the current thinking that focusses ONLY on the taxes, and never on the benefits to society, or the fact that their take-home is still better than it was.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Therefore, she does not pay income tax. Why does Mitt tolerate that freeloading wife of his? He should stop feeding her.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)she's voting for Obama. Not very loyal of Ann Antoinette, is it?
anarch
(6,535 posts)buncha complete mooches
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)very happy with Romney's remarks. My SO was one of them he isn't a voter though so not really republican. But, any way he thought it make sense until I told him about seniors, disabled, students like me. Now, he is wobbly on the issue. Thinks people like me want more money like people that are retired. I said duh, more money is almost always better. But, if you are disabled you shouldn't have to worry about starving just because you can't work.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)1. Be excited like in a head-over-heels in love way.
2. Turn around and do gymnastics trying to make something make sense.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Things that make no sense to us and we think are wrong they start doing cartwheels. Like Republicans wanting to take away their social security, they cartwheel and say take away a little more of my pittance please.
dodger501
(1,069 posts)Spinning it by saying Romney was merely saying he wasn't going to get the 47%'s vote anyway.
I have put about a half a dozen responses on forums, including HuffPo, with his exact quote and challenging them to show me where in those words is the word 'vote'?
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)He needed a little help fixing a computer problem.
When I got to his office, he had a Bush Cheney yard sign against his wall. I asked him if he knew they couldn't come back followed with something like you are a stuck with the idiot you have.
He said something unremarkable about Obama who hasn't done anything for the country. I remarked that he might have done a lot more than save it from a depression if it wasn't for the obstructionist Turtle in Congress. He tried to claim that wasn't the problem and I said really? When you have one side that says their number one priority is to make sure the current President is a one term President that isn't a problem.
Before he could respond, I told him that if he wanted his computer fixed, he had to shut up and listen to me.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)lol
reflection
(6,286 posts)who is fixing your car or computer. There are few truths in life and this is one of them.
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)That's how you make this hit home with them.
Don't say he wants to increase taxes on the poor and middle class. Say "Mitt Romney wants to make sure you no longer get a tax refund check every year."
TBF
(32,056 posts)and they have been very quiet lately - especially the women. I'm sure they'll still vote for him but they know they've got a really bad candidate.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)just start laughing...