Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:29 PM Sep 2012

My Republican friends are turning cartwheels

trying to explain the whole 47% thing. It's become entertainment for me.

One went through and re-wrote on Facebook what he said as what he SHOULD have said. (And what he wrote didn't sound much better to me and I explained why.)

One said his words were taken out of context and that whenever he's caught in a "gaffe" it's always out of context but when Obama says something like "you didn't build that" he really means it. (To which I asked how the 47% statement was out of context and gave the context of the "build that" thing.)

One said it's an example of how the media wants Obama in the White House. (I just laughed at that.)

They're standing behind him, but they're having to work hard at it. They're going nuts about this and they haven't gotten particularly upset about anything else he's done. This was it. This was the one that really got to them. They're backing him up but they know how bad it is.

I can't wait for Election Day. I plan to make it a holiday. We're going to order pizza (not Papa Johns ROFL but a local place) and watch the returns come in. I predict an enjoyable night.

But that doesn't mean you should stay home! No no no - go and vote and vote straight party. Let's get some coattails going here!

24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
My Republican friends are turning cartwheels (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2012 OP
No offense, but you need a better class of friends. Matariki Sep 2012 #1
They have the information gollygee Sep 2012 #6
I don't think I do. I guess living in a very liberal 'blue state' has it's advantages Matariki Sep 2012 #8
I live in a swing county in a swing state gollygee Sep 2012 #9
GREAT post! Rider3 Sep 2012 #2
my fundie "friends" and family have all STFU in unison NightWatcher Sep 2012 #3
Right, 'cuz I have the night shift on election night at the Itchy Kitty. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #7
Almost every single one of us has SheilaT Sep 2012 #4
Health care? He complained about people thinking they're entitled to FOOD gollygee Sep 2012 #5
Hmmm, is right. SheilaT Sep 2012 #17
That's right. Ann Romney does not work Generic Brad Sep 2012 #20
Especially since, according to his tortured logic, tavalon Sep 2012 #23
those freeloaders act as if food just grows on trees! anarch Sep 2012 #22
I think you mean they are turning themselves into pretzels. Cartwheels sort of means they are... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #10
I've heard it used both ways gollygee Sep 2012 #13
Well I agree it definitely is both ways with Republicans. Kalidurga Sep 2012 #18
Most say he was talking about their vote dodger501 Sep 2012 #11
I poked my pet republican today liberal N proud Sep 2012 #12
i like that! barbtries Sep 2012 #16
NEVER screw with the guy reflection Sep 2012 #24
I sure hope none of them ever take an Earned Income Credit (EIC). sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #14
Just tell them Mitt Romney wants to take away their tax refund checks. Z_I_Peevey Sep 2012 #15
I have family members and acquaintances who are repubs - TBF Sep 2012 #19
Use this on your repuke friends everytime they mention Romney... L0oniX Sep 2012 #21

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
1. No offense, but you need a better class of friends.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

Your current crop seem kind of, to put it politely, 'low information'.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. They have the information
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sep 2012

They just don't like it.

Yes, some of them drive me nuts. You don't have any Republican friends? We get along generally when it isn't election time and we stay away from a few conversation points.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
8. I don't think I do. I guess living in a very liberal 'blue state' has it's advantages
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

Some of my family on the other hand, bless their hearts, are old school moderate republicans. They seem to get most of their ideas from television and don't go very deep into issues. I love them of course and we've all learned to not discuss politics too much - and know when to stop.

I was just teasing about your friends, btw.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. I live in a swing county in a swing state
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

Well Michigan so fairly blue these days.

I didn't take offense. I've wondered myself about some of them lately.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. my fundie "friends" and family have all STFU in unison
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:31 PM
Sep 2012

I cant wait to be an obnoxious ass on Nov 7. I've got to go pick up a few bottles of expensive Belgium beer and decide which of my Cubans I'm gonna smoke after I get finished working the polls (election place not the dance poll at the Itchy Kitty).

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. Almost every single one of us has
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:37 PM
Sep 2012

a mom who is living mainly on Social Security, or we have a niece or a grandson or know that the child of a good friend is serving overseas in a combat zone. Many of us live on the same street as someone getting by on disability. And most of us interact every single day with the working poor: the server behind the counter of a low-cost restaurant, the greeter or cashier at a big-box store, the janitor who cleans our office. Okay, we probably don't interact that last person, but he or she is important to our work environment.

Even if we ourselves pay income tax, as well as payroll taxes, we all pay sales taxes and property taxes. Yes, even if you rent you pay at least part of your landlord's property tax. You just don't get the credit for it. And so on.

Also, hardly anyone has focused on Mitt complaining that the 47% think they are entitled to health care. Clearly, then, he believes that you only deserve health care if you can afford it.

I'm lucky. I have what I call the Republican Health Care Plan. I'm very healthy. (Actually, I have health care through my job, but I'm still the most amazingly healthy person I know.) And it enrages me that some people think others don't deserve basic health care.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. Health care? He complained about people thinking they're entitled to FOOD
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sep 2012

I mean, wow. People think in a country like the US they shouldn't be left to starve in the streets. How dare they.

I am not in the 47% and have great health care through my husband's work, so I guess I'm part of the 51% he thinks will vote for him? ROFL. No way. Although I don't personally have an income so maybe I am part of the 47%, but then if I am, Ann Romney is too. Hmmmm.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. Hmmm, is right.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sep 2012

For about 80 percent of us, maybe more, where we fit in is, as you pointed out so very well, much more complicated than being in the 47% who don't pay income taxes or in the 53% who do.

For one thing, some significant percent of that 53% still don't have a lot of money. Just because you make enough to pay income tax, doesn't mean you're rich and are therefore unfairly over-taxed, as Mitt and his ilk seem to think they are.

Many years ago a co-worker got a raise which pushed him up into a higher income bracket, and he complained bitterly about the additional income tax now being taken from his paycheck. I asked him, "Are you taking home as much as you used to?" He said actually, he was now taking home a little more. I wish I'd then said, "Then what are you complaining about?"

This was long before the current "all taxes are bad" crap, and I've long since lost track of this man, so I will not make any assumptions of what he would be thinking today. But he's a prime example of the current thinking that focusses ONLY on the taxes, and never on the benefits to society, or the fact that their take-home is still better than it was.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
20. That's right. Ann Romney does not work
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

Therefore, she does not pay income tax. Why does Mitt tolerate that freeloading wife of his? He should stop feeding her.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
23. Especially since, according to his tortured logic,
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:26 AM
Sep 2012

she's voting for Obama. Not very loyal of Ann Antoinette, is it?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
10. I think you mean they are turning themselves into pretzels. Cartwheels sort of means they are...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:48 PM
Sep 2012

very happy with Romney's remarks. My SO was one of them he isn't a voter though so not really republican. But, any way he thought it make sense until I told him about seniors, disabled, students like me. Now, he is wobbly on the issue. Thinks people like me want more money like people that are retired. I said duh, more money is almost always better. But, if you are disabled you shouldn't have to worry about starving just because you can't work.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
13. I've heard it used both ways
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:56 PM
Sep 2012

1. Be excited like in a head-over-heels in love way.

2. Turn around and do gymnastics trying to make something make sense.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
18. Well I agree it definitely is both ways with Republicans.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

Things that make no sense to us and we think are wrong they start doing cartwheels. Like Republicans wanting to take away their social security, they cartwheel and say take away a little more of my pittance please.

dodger501

(1,069 posts)
11. Most say he was talking about their vote
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:55 PM
Sep 2012

Spinning it by saying Romney was merely saying he wasn't going to get the 47%'s vote anyway.
I have put about a half a dozen responses on forums, including HuffPo, with his exact quote and challenging them to show me where in those words is the word 'vote'?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
12. I poked my pet republican today
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:56 PM
Sep 2012

He needed a little help fixing a computer problem.

When I got to his office, he had a Bush Cheney yard sign against his wall. I asked him if he knew they couldn't come back followed with something like you are a stuck with the idiot you have.

He said something unremarkable about Obama who hasn't done anything for the country. I remarked that he might have done a lot more than save it from a depression if it wasn't for the obstructionist Turtle in Congress. He tried to claim that wasn't the problem and I said really? When you have one side that says their number one priority is to make sure the current President is a one term President that isn't a problem.

Before he could respond, I told him that if he wanted his computer fixed, he had to shut up and listen to me.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
24. NEVER screw with the guy
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:40 AM
Sep 2012

who is fixing your car or computer. There are few truths in life and this is one of them.

Z_I_Peevey

(2,783 posts)
15. Just tell them Mitt Romney wants to take away their tax refund checks.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:59 PM
Sep 2012

That's how you make this hit home with them.

Don't say he wants to increase taxes on the poor and middle class. Say "Mitt Romney wants to make sure you no longer get a tax refund check every year."

TBF

(32,056 posts)
19. I have family members and acquaintances who are repubs -
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:37 PM
Sep 2012

and they have been very quiet lately - especially the women. I'm sure they'll still vote for him but they know they've got a really bad candidate.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»My Republican friends are...