Now I wonder whether to pitch it to my small town first, or county.


It would be a battle either way, but I think this is an important time to get ahead of future secret police forces.

Thanks again elleng! Now to figure out how to do it lol

Would definitely like to see some of the laws they enforce decriminalized.

Personally, I think all persons with the power to lock you up in concrete should be easily identified.

However, there are circumstances (child trafficking, terrorism, etc)
that necessitate undercover work.

and reasonable people think it's a kidnapping. can the victim use lethal force to defend themselves?

can witnesses use lethal force to stop what appears to be a kidnapping?


noting that camo is usually not an official outfit for law enforcement and a "bureau of police" insignia looks very homemade.

Small, rural area. Lots of camo and lots of hunters.

I would defend myself if some stranger in camo grabbed me. As would most everyone around here...

can mandate such a requirement for federal agents.

Federal preemption generally forbids state or local laws imposing requirements on the federal government. I will be curious to see if State prosecutions against federal agents for violations of civil rights can be successful.

Our city cops are US Marshals. I dont know much, if anything about law enforcement.


If the states or local government can't protect civil rights from federal offenses of police, what entity can?

I would expect federal law enforcement to do routine law enforcement only in an least concurrent (if not exclusive) federal jurisdictions, e.g. national parks. Even then, routine law enforcement is not what the U.S. Marshal Service claims to do. [link:https://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/factsheets/index.html|

Of course, the Congress could legislate restrictions on federal law enforcement. However, I am not confident that such legislation could get through the U.S. Senate these days - certainly not by a veto-proof majority.

It seems logical to me that state and local governments should be able to enforce the civil rights of their citizens against violations by rogue federal "agents." The question will be the result if the U.S. DoJ protests that such a prosecution is a violation of federal supremacy.

The problem is this is all unplowed ground. We have not seen such behavior by a President before.

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Edit: Looks like they are city marshals. Not sure why.

to court. Must be why everyone is released without charges.
Love to see a private mercenary on the stand in a court of law.

Say someone was detained/kidnapped by the camos.
Then, they take you to be arrested by a trooper, deputy, etc.

Is it constitutional for unauthorized secret patrols to make the grab, then have a LEO write the ticket?

Wonder who would testify against you in court...

An officer who did not witness, nor initially make the arrest, or the private kidnapper?

My brain hurts.