Explaining that Obama gave them that great economy that tRump has blown already along with also handing tRump a playbook on exactly how to make the pandemic a drop in the bucket compared to the complete failure tRump has given the country.

They are the ones that thought Obama caused the crash in 2007-2008. And the 2007-2008 crash clearly happened before Obama was in office. It isn't fact based for them. It's years of lies and emotional for them (they are told Democrats are bad for economy for years).

And this time, unfortunate enough, the stock market held up long enough to shift all the blame to Biden (if he is to win in November). I am sure a lot of them will just blame the soon-to-come crash to Democrats again just like what happened to Obama.

When Nixon finally resigned, his last poll showed 24% support. That 24% is most likely close to the number of hard core Chumps.

The Lincoln Project, the Meidas Touch, and Vote Vets are having an effect on the other 20 something percent that voted him in, and that's just with online ads. If the DNC pulls its head out and runs any of this stuff over broadcast media, they can kick everything but that hard core support out from under him.

Nothing will get through to a fool who wants to be fooled. However, even some of the mushy support among people who think he would be doing fine without this virus are vulnerable to admitting the virus wouldn't be this bad had he not fouled up the response to it.

I think that's where Bush the Lesser ended up at the end. So it does indeed look as if 25-30% or so is the deplorable floor.

Not even close. I have plenty of right wing friends from the sports betting world. They voted for Bush but were indifferent to him. In contrast every absolutely idolize Trump. They don't accept one word of criticism of Trump.

I guarantee if Trump loses he will retain every bit of his right wing support. They will be pushing him to run again in 2024. That is the mistake many here are making. I've seen only a few posters like Yavin who fully grasp that Trump is hardly finished in GOP circles if he loses.

will help reach voter pockets - I locked Cusack ad. Entertainers can help, especially cross-overs like Taylor Swift, country singers, nascar, etc.

Truth should win out - hope it wins out in time.

The Turd just coasted in on Obama’s gains.

We’ve had over 110 months of STRAIGHT GROWTH. Trump’s puny 44 months that gave us another ONE PERCENT lower unemployment does not compare.

left, right, center or on religion. They physically lack the ability for discretionary thinking and follow an authoritative route.

They know exactly what they are supporting and they like it. They like seeing brown skinned children in cages. They want enhanced unemployment benefits to expire because they would enjoy seeing people suffering as long as it's not them. And thye like seeing federal goon squads going out and hitting peaceful protesters over the head with nightsticks.

a small percentage. And the US IMO has a large number of assholes and haters. We will know the exact percentage in November by those voting for Trump.

... and take a twisted one because they're comfortable with it.

Anything else is uncomfortable responding to

but the stock market. trump has just ridden Obama's stock market upsurge. When O took over during the Great Ressesion the market was under 8000 and when he left it was just under 20,000.

There's no question who did the better job.

A ridiculous argument. A president is responsible for what happens on his watch and for adjusting to the circumstances that occur. He doesn't get to take credit for what MIGHT have happened if circumstances were different.

It would be like Herbert Hoover running on the great economy I had before the 1929 crash. Trump is going to lose bigly

Too many people - even many on our side - just assume that the opposite was the case.

But I've been semi-serious about equity investing since around 2005, and I've seen it all play out in real-time. My investments pretty much tripled between 2009 and 2016.

However, Trump is the reason that our recovery will be excruciatingly slow.

The best thing Trump could have done was to shut down the country in early March which would have crashed the economy but given us a chance to get the virus as under control as possible so that we could be in the middle to end stages of a recovery now like so many other countries who got hit as badly as we did initially already are.

Trump did everything wrong (and too late, if at all), but the economy would have crashed one way or the other.

did. It was his poor management of all aspects of the pandemic that caused such a shit-storm over here.

A lot of the worst of it could have been prevented, but I don't think we would have seen the economy tank this badly if Trump and the republicans really cared about supporting small businesess and people who were out of work as much as they cared about giving another massive handout to their rich cronies.

My point is that there was no way that our economy could have survived the coronavirus even if we did what we should have done early, i.e. an immediate national shutdown in March to control the spread of the virus - there would have been tremendous economic disruption, but it would have been the right thing to do.

The problem for us is that Trump did everything wrong (and in most cases did nothing at all) and made things worse by his failure to the point that our recovery will take years when had he done the right thing when appropriate we could already be on the way back up like so many other countries that took the right steps and have actual leadership.

Yes Trump has grossly mismanaged the covid-19 crisis. He will always be remembered for that. But remember that economies in many other countries have also crashed due to the crisis. I think that no matter who had been president our economy would have crashed.

Our economic crash has just started. It is going to get a lot worse because of Trump. Other countries who did the right thing when dealing with the virus can limit the economic damage. We can't because we are still dealing with the virus.

They handled the virus well, and when it opened it bloomed.

...in his first two years than our “MBA president” did in EIGHT!

A week or so before Obama was inaugurated the Wall Street Journal reported the worst job growth under Smirky than any president going back to FDR.

He must love Trump for taking that title from him.

He has managed to keep their 401-Ks sound and growing.

afloat that's a good thing. But that is only one small part of the whole picture. We need to look out for everyone else too. And that means immediately extending the $600 weekly unemployment insurance enhancement. It also means extending bans on foreclosures and evictions. It also means making sure that children who had been depending on free or reduced cost school lunches be provided with their nutritional needs while schools are closed.

...most 401ks did as well or better in Obama's last 6 years.
Because a 401k had a smart fund manager that moderated risk and grabbed returns early, has nothing to do with who caused the crash.
The entire market didn't collapse. It underwent an overdue (18 months at least) correction, then was propped up by stimulus & fed money.
Some fund managers balanced risk, caught the early wave on the pandemic influenced overcorrection, still made a handsome profit for the fund, so the 401k holders stayed ok.
Some funds were managed by less prudent managers and have seen little growth or went down.
PINO had nothing to do with that.