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RandySF

(58,846 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:41 PM Jul 2020

Cotton Says Slavery Was 'Necessary Evil'

In the interview, Cotton said the role of slavery can’t be overlooked.

“We have to study the history of slavery and its role and impact on the development of our country because otherwise we can’t understand our country. As the Founding Fathers said, it was the necessary evil upon which the union was built, but the union was built in a way, as Lincoln said, to put slavery on the course to its ultimate extinction,” he said.

Instead of portraying America as “an irredeemably corrupt, rotten and racist country,” the nation should be viewed “as an imperfect and flawed land, but the greatest and noblest country in the history of mankind,” Cotton said.

The Times is a frequent target of the senator’s criticism.

Its editorial page editor, James Bennet, resigned last month after running a column by Cotton on the possible use of military troops to quell unrest in the nation’s cities. The paper later said that the piece had fallen “short of our standards and should not have been published.”

In his written statement Friday, the Times spokesman portrayed the 1619 Project as a helpful resource.



https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2020/jul/26/bill-by-cotton-targets-curriculum-on-slavery/

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Cotton Says Slavery Was 'Necessary Evil' (Original Post) RandySF Jul 2020 OP
Hahahahahahahaha theaocp Jul 2020 #1
Resign? He doesn't even have competition for his senate seat in 2020. jimfields33 Jul 2020 #7
I know. He's just SUCH a bad guy. n/t theaocp Jul 2020 #16
Absolutely he is. jimfields33 Jul 2020 #33
But yet Cotton's people honor the slave owners and never the slaves ck4829 Jul 2020 #2
It was evil, but NO, it wasn't necessary. Jamastiene Jul 2020 #3
Without the plantation system that supprted slavery the colonies would have been different csziggy Jul 2020 #11
Cotton didn't become really big Retrograde Jul 2020 #25
Indeed the British viewed their colonies as both a source Enoki33 Jul 2020 #27
Not Just That, But... ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #17
Slavery shoots down the myth of rugged individualism. muntrv Jul 2020 #20
And didn't pay their labor. Any country or business can be successful... brush Jul 2020 #29
Its not irony his surname is what it is. onetexan Jul 2020 #4
I guess his last name Cotton exboyfil Jul 2020 #5
Cotton is the Steve King of the U.S. Senate dalton99a Jul 2020 #6
So -- "King Cotton"? misanthrope Jul 2020 #32
: onecaliberal Jul 2020 #8
Whereas Tom Cotton is an unnecessary evil lame54 Jul 2020 #9
Who is attempting to portray the nation as irredeemably corrupt, rotten, and racist? OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #10
All teh Libtardz!1!! Duh! (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #14
Tom Cotton is a an unnecessary evil. Goodheart Jul 2020 #12
great! i guess he'll agree that reparations are a moral imperative then. unblock Jul 2020 #13
Prompts the question DFW Jul 2020 #15
This Fascist Cotton will soon appear on the Republican Parties list for presidential candidates. magicarpet Jul 2020 #18
Yep... DEbluedude Jul 2020 #34
How about he is a slave to a black family for say .. 6 years. One term in the senate. bullimiami Jul 2020 #19
That's what I was thinking... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #22
People are misreading this quite a bit Sympthsical Jul 2020 #21
Let's just say they were all evil hypocrites then who knew enslavement was evil... brush Jul 2020 #30
But that does imply that for some founders, slavery was the overriding consideration muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #31
At some point there will be people who vigorously disavow this crap... Girard442 Jul 2020 #23
Pretzel Logic. spanone Jul 2020 #24
Well Cotton's ancestors weren't picking that cotton. That's for sure. yellowcanine Jul 2020 #26
And the protests in our streets are a necessary good. Efilroft Sul Jul 2020 #28
Slavery is/was approved by the Christian Bible. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #35

jimfields33

(15,807 posts)
7. Resign? He doesn't even have competition for his senate seat in 2020.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jul 2020

Guaranteed 6 more years of this jerk. He’s the he worst of an awful bunch.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
3. It was evil, but NO, it wasn't necessary.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jul 2020

The lazy asses who kept slaves could have gotten off their asses and done their own work instead of living on the backbreaking labor of the human beings they bought and sold.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
11. Without the plantation system that supprted slavery the colonies would have been different
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jul 2020

Instead of relying on crops like tobacco and cotton that needed large amounts of cheap labor, the colonies could have developed a more dispersed economy of crops and industries that allowed more self sufficiency.

Part of the reason for the American Revolution was that Britain did not allow the colonies to have mills to spin and weave their own cotton. Instead, the cotton had to be sent to England and Scotland where the cotton was processed and cloth was made. Then that cloth was sent back to the colonies - not just the Americas but other British colonies needed it. Much of the cloth processed in the UK was poor quality intended for slaves' clothing - so even the slaves were dependent on British industry for their necessities.

If the colonies from the beginning had rejected the slave system - which became the norm when European indentured servants either did not survive the diseases in the colonies or worked their way to freedom too quickly to be profitable - and had simply set up a system that allowed small farmers and small industry to develop separately from what the British overlords would allow, our entire economy would be different. Instead they became reliant on the trade of goods to Britain and to and from other British colonies.

Somewhere I read a study that compared the economies in the Americas that began with slavery versus those that began without it. Pretty much those without the slavery base are now much healthier. I do not right now remember which countries they compared.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
25. Cotton didn't become really big
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jul 2020

until Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin in the 1790s. Before that, it was just too difficult to process by hand. Most plantations in colonial times grew cash crops like tobacco, indigo, or rice. I've read some histories (including, IIRC, Chernow's bio of Washington) that seem to think that post-revolution the plantation system and with it slavery was in decline since the big crops could be grown in other British colonies. Then an easy and cheap way to remove seeds from cotton bolls was invented, and the plantation system revived, with a brand new main crop. There's a book, "This Vast Southern Empire", that explains how almost all of US foreign policy before 1860 was in pursuit of getting more land -and slaves - for cotton plantations.

Tom Cotton seems to need constant reminders that this is 2020, not 1820.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
27. Indeed the British viewed their colonies as both a source
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jul 2020

of raw materials and market for finished goods. Despite all the human suffering they created they, in most cases, did leave behind good judicial, political and educational systems on which to build. Slavery will forever be their greatest shame.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
17. Not Just That, But...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jul 2020

...the per capita GDP, not counting their slaves in the numbers, was inferior to the free states.
So, it was a crappy business model too.
Free labor with a continuous supply made them less prosperous.
Man, that's some terrible business acumen.

brush

(53,778 posts)
29. And didn't pay their labor. Any country or business can be successful...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jul 2020

if you don't have to pay your workers.

That just evil laziness.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. I guess his last name Cotton
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jul 2020

is appropriate.

Future history class. Teacher: "Senator Cotton of Arkansas in 2020 said that slavery was a necessary evil."
Student: "Don't you mean 1820 sir?"
Teacher: "No, I kid you not, 2020."

DFW

(54,387 posts)
15. Prompts the question
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jul 2020

What’s the difference between Tom Cotton and slavery?

Cotton says slavery was a necessary evil while Cotton himself is merely evil.

magicarpet

(14,153 posts)
18. This Fascist Cotton will soon appear on the Republican Parties list for presidential candidates.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:30 PM
Jul 2020

This racist warmonger Nazi will have a substantial voter base ushering him into the Oval.

bullimiami

(13,095 posts)
19. How about he is a slave to a black family for say .. 6 years. One term in the senate.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jul 2020

What? He is not ok with that? It’s only 6 years.
If he survives it he can go back to the senate.

2naSalit

(86,630 posts)
22. That's what I was thinking...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jul 2020

Except I would never let him breathe freely for the rest of his life. He deserves nothing less.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
21. People are misreading this quite a bit
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jul 2020

Slavery had to be kept in order for the union to be created and held together. The South would have never gone along with the Constitution without assurances that their system was protected. This wasn’t a controversial or even arguable thought at the founding. It isn’t even arguable now. That’s what happened. And, of course, what created the union ultimately threatened its extinction.

Let’s not sacrifice historical literacy for the sake of taking a shot at a racist, right-wing asshole. A lot of anti-slavery founders went along with it in order to create a stronger federalized system. Remember, they were coming off the disastrous experiment with the Articles of Confederation.

What he’s saying isn’t wrong. The Union we have today would not have been formed unless abolitionists bowed to Southern slave pressure when writing the Constitution.

brush

(53,778 posts)
30. Let's just say they were all evil hypocrites then who knew enslavement was evil...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:42 PM
Jul 2020

yet went along with it anyway. Any nation or business can be successful if you don't have to pay your workers.

So give us an estimate of how much is owed for 250 years of dawn-to-duck, stolen labor for million of enslaved humans? Considering the principle of compounding where money doubles every seven years, if reparations were to be paid, it would bust the treasury. But since the nation depended on it to be successful, we should I guess forget about it?

Why couldn't the founding fathers at the time work themselves or pay their workers? Oh, they wouldn't have been as successful you say, that nation either you say?

Hypocrites all. And then they slept with their "property".

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
31. But that does imply that for some founders, slavery was the overriding consideration
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jul 2020

which shoots down Cotton's main point, which he's trying to use to cut federal funding from any school using the 1619 Project: he claims that the modified position of the Project - 'preservation of slavery, it now states, was a key motivator for just “some of the colonists”' - is wrong, and he calls that "anti-American rot" and "teaching America’s children to hate America".

So he acknowledges the validity of the position he says is intolerable.

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
23. At some point there will be people who vigorously disavow this crap...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jul 2020

...and people who don't. Oh, just fuck them.

keithbvadu2

(36,809 posts)
35. Slavery is/was approved by the Christian Bible.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:42 PM
Jul 2020

Slavery is/was approved by the Christian Bible.

The Bible has not changed.

Southern Baptists split off due to their own support for slavery.

It gets complicated, eh?

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