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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 08:53 PM Jul 2020

Trump Campaign Adviser Jenna Ellis: Separation of Church and State Is a Liberal Lie

The concept of a firewall between church and state authorities, Ellis claimed, is a mere “twisting a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Church that was simply talking about the three tiers of authority that god himself ordained—the church government, the civil government, and the family government.”

Such an interpretation of Jefferson’s 1802 letter—which the Supreme Court affirmed in 1879 as an “authoritative declaration” of the First Amendment clause prohibiting government entanglement in religion—has long been a key argument of conservative Christian leaders seeking to end the separation, which serves as the basis for America’s historically pluralistic society. But it’s not altogether common for a top official of a presidential campaign to so forcefully adopt such a position and it’s further proof that Trump—hardly an observant man himself—has strategically allowed his presidency to become a vessel for the religious right.

During Monday evening’s remarks, Ellis advanced her argument against the separation of church and state by invoking and defending the president’s now-infamous walk from the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church for a Bible-holding photo op—which was made possible by police tear-gassing a crowd of peaceful protesters—as a valiant stand against those forsake religious authority.

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Religious nut.

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Trump Campaign Adviser Jenna Ellis: Separation of Church and State Is a Liberal Lie (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2020 OP
WTH soothsayer Jul 2020 #1
Liberty University grad VMA131Marine Jul 2020 #2
I truly hate these people. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #3
Boy, the shit you have to believe to be a Republican. rurallib Jul 2020 #4
fascinating. when the government helps people in need, they're jackbooted thugs taking away freedom unblock Jul 2020 #5
Of course these people mean only one religion.. dawg day Jul 2020 #6
What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge? keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #7
If that's what you think, or should say want, go live in a theocracy and report back. Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #8
Well, the Founders were apparently all liberals then. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #9

unblock

(52,332 posts)
5. fascinating. when the government helps people in need, they're jackbooted thugs taking away freedom
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jul 2020

according to the right wing. evil government making people dependent on government checks, depriving them of the freedom to stand on their own, etc.

but when they muck about in religion, coercing prayer in school, taxing the people to fund religion, etc., the same right wing is just fine and dandy with all that.


these fools forget that the separation of church and state was done to protect the church as much as it was done to protect the state and the people.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
6. Of course these people mean only one religion..
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 09:23 PM
Jul 2020

Conservative Christianity. They don't agree that Islam or Bahai or any other religion should have influence on government.

keithbvadu2

(36,937 posts)
7. What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge?
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jul 2020

What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge?


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?no-ist= ;

Madison also made a point that any believer of any religion should understand: that the government sanction of a religion was, in essence, a threat to religion. "Who does not see," he wrote, "that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" Madison was writing from his memory of Baptist ministers being arrested in his native Virginia.

Thekaspervote

(32,797 posts)
8. If that's what you think, or should say want, go live in a theocracy and report back.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jul 2020

While you’re there, since you are a woman and will have plenty of time for simple womanly things read the constitution. You might like as you termed it “liberal lies.”

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