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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 02:19 PM Jul 2020

Russia announces they will move missiles and troops to western borders. This is the same exact thing


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Russia announces they will move missiles and troops to western borders. This is the same exact thing that happened when Trump announced the troop pullout out of Germany last month

Huh! So Russia is sending more troops to challenge NATO/US near the borders, Trump announces that he is planning the withdrawal of troops from Germany, and Putin this week signed a decree giving him more flexibility in using nuclear weapons. Nothing to see
https://msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-sends-more-troops-west-challenging-us-nato-presence-near-borders/ar-BB156dgJ


Note Trump had a phone call with Putin on June 1 days before his announcement. This time Trump had a call w Putin a few days before beginning the pullout
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Russia announces they will move missiles and troops to western borders. This is the same exact thing (Original Post) soothsayer Jul 2020 OP
TrumPutin are cooking up a European invasion as an October surprise. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #1
As Dumb As It Is To Remove These Troops.. jayfish Jul 2020 #3
They're moving on Ukraine and nobody's saying boo soothsayer Jul 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2020 #2
Some of these moves are part of the dynamic force employment initiative soryang Jul 2020 #5
Thanks! . . Iliyah Jul 2020 #6
"You can't have a baby if you pull out" Backseat Driver Jul 2020 #7
The withdrawal of US troops from Germany may take so long it can be reversed when Biden wins the Nitram Jul 2020 #8
Yeah but he's starting some right away. Apparently Syria went way faster soothsayer Jul 2020 #9
The Post reported this morning that it will take "years" to complete the withdrawal. Nitram Jul 2020 #10
Right! soothsayer Jul 2020 #11

jayfish

(10,039 posts)
3. As Dumb As It Is To Remove These Troops..
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jul 2020

it would be even dumber for Russia to try this. Barring a nuclear exchange, Russia would get trounced by the full EU. It might even cease to exist in its current form.

Response to soothsayer (Original post)

soryang

(3,299 posts)
5. Some of these moves are part of the dynamic force employment initiative
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jul 2020

Dynamic Force Employment: A Vital Tool in Winning Strategic Global Competitions

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2018/09/18/dynamic_force_employment_a_vital_tool_in_winning_strategic_global_competitions_113809.html

Trump is trying to repackage some of these changes which probably would have happened anyway into his damaging transactional approach to negotiations with allies, Germany in particular. Offering a "trip wire" strategy in Poland, or Latvia reminds me of the "phony war" in Poland early in WWII. I don't think anything more than a token force, and a mobile one that deploys periodically rather than permanently should ever be stationed on Russia's border. It's contrary really to the DFE intent. This OP seems somewhat inconsistent with the announcement of movement of some of these forces to Belgium.

Similar considerations went into the withdrawal of US forces from near the DMZ in South Korea and their withdrawal to Pyongtaek. Beyond this an actual removal of additional troops from South Korea is viewed dimly in defense circles, but the Trump administration kept implying it was under consideration while Congress implemented measures to block it.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. Thanks! . .
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jul 2020

also I'm pretty sure the Pentagon and the few honorable IC's are watching the world's intel . .

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
8. The withdrawal of US troops from Germany may take so long it can be reversed when Biden wins the
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jul 2020

election. Then Biden can start repairing ties with Europe and other allies all over the world the Trump has alienated.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
9. Yeah but he's starting some right away. Apparently Syria went way faster
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 03:30 PM
Jul 2020

...than expected (or somewhere did — can’t recall the example).

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
10. The Post reported this morning that it will take "years" to complete the withdrawal.
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 03:42 PM
Jul 2020

Spurred on by President Donald Trump’s demand to pull troops out of Germany, the U.S. will bring about 6,400 forces home and shift about 5,600 to other countries in Europe, U.S. defense leaders said Wednesday, detailing a Pentagon plan that will cost billions of dollars and take years to complete.

The future of the plan is uncertain, at best, since it relies on support and funding from Congress, and a number of members have voiced opposition. And it may not survive at all if Trump isn’t re-elected.

Lawmakers have condemned the troop cuts as a gift to Russia fueled by Trump’s spite at Germany.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-us-to-bring-6400-troops-home-from-germany/2020/07/29/293f7af4-d19c-11ea-826b-cc394d824e35_story.html

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