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Quixote1818

(28,977 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 01:56 AM Jul 2020

A response to the Yale professor who says hydroxychloroquine will save lives

Newsweek recently published an opinion piece by Professor Harvey Risch. Here is a response to that article:


Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it
Despite the accumulating negative evidence showing that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID-19, activists continue to promote it as a way out of the pandemic. This week, the AAPS and a Yale epidemiologist joined the fray with embarrassingly bad arguments.

David Gorski on July 27, 2020

I find it odd at this juncture in late July that I’ve been writing about a certain drug that was touted as a “miracle cure” for COVID-19 as far back as March. I am referring, of course, to hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug that also has immunomodulatory effects that make it also useful to treat various autoimmune diseases, such as systemic lupus erythematosus. It’s a drug that, despite the lack of evidence for its efficacy and the continued publication of negative studies testing its efficacy against the disease, just won’t die. Truly, hydroxychloroquine is the Jason Voorhees of drugs, at least with respect to COVID-19. After each new study showing it to be ineffective, it always seems to rise, just as Jason always comes back for another round of killing after seemingly having died at the end of the previous movie.

The hypothesis that antimalarial drugs might be effective treatments for COVID-19 originated in Wuhan, China during the early phase of the pandemic in January. There, Chinese researchers reported that none of their 80 patients with lupus erythematosus who were taking hydroxychloroquine went on to become infected with SARS-CoV-2. As a result of that and old evidence of antiviral activity for the drugs, they became interested in using these antimalarial drugs to treat COVID-19. (Never mind that immunosuppressed patients are exactly the patients most likely to assiduously follow the recommendations of public health authorities during a pandemic.) A number of clinical trials were registered, and, based on anecdotal reports and small clinical trials (nearly all of which are as yet unpublished), in February the Chinese government published an expert consensus recommending CQ or HCQ for patients with COVID-19. Soon after, a number of nations followed suit. From there, a French “brave maverick scientist” named Didier Raoult latched onto the drug as the “answer” to the COVID-19 pandemic, publishing risibly bad studies claiming to show its efficacy. Tech bros such as Elon Musk discovered the claims about hydroxychloroquine and Raoult’s bad science, leading to Donald Trump Tweeting favorably about his study and, ultimately, to the FDA issuing an emergency use authorization for the drug to treat COVID-19.

Since then, there has been a drip-drip-drip of negative studies of hydroxychloroquine, some studies observational, but, increasingly, many being randomized clinical trials, such as the publication of a randomized controlled clinical trial of the drug as post-exposure prophylaxis that was entirely negative. This was followed by two more, first, a Spanish post-exposure prophylaxis trial that was also negative. Then there was the Recovery Trial from the UK, which failed to find a benefit from hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized patients treated with the drug, leading to the revocation of the FDA’s original ill-advised EUA.

More: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/

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A response to the Yale professor who says hydroxychloroquine will save lives (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2020 OP
But are there any studies on effect safeinOhio Jul 2020 #1
LOL! Thanks for that. It came in handy just now as a response to a gigantic diatribe from a Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #2
Humor may be the best defense against safeinOhio Jul 2020 #3
Check this out Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #4

Quixote1818

(28,977 posts)
2. LOL! Thanks for that. It came in handy just now as a response to a gigantic diatribe from a
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 03:16 AM
Jul 2020

conspiracy theory kook on my Facebook page. It was the perfect response.

Quixote1818

(28,977 posts)
4. Check this out
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 03:27 AM
Jul 2020

This is what she wrote when I posted a link to the article in the OP

I tell my 14-year-old son you can’t believe everything you read on the Internet...it’s a good rule for adults as well regarding the news or info from government officials.
Read fast because I am using all the words that piss off the censor police. It is only a matter of time before the bots remove my post despite the fact that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects freedom of speech, religion and the press.
All sides present a version of truth through the lens of their own personal beliefs and experiences. The news organizations have moved away from investigative journalism and use the news as platforms spoon feed us the narratives they want us to hear. Our job is to cut through the bs and figure out the truth for ourselves because it is usually in there!
People will watch or listen to what resonates with them which is not a crime and does not violate the first amendment. In the absence of real investigative journalism many independent/alternative news journalist have sprung up but why are the big guys (and some on this post) trying to silence them? Who gets to decide who is right or wrong? Would it be better to have state run TV and be executed in the street for not believing what the controlling party or news media is pumping out? I used to flop back-and-forth between CNN and Fox News to try to get a glimpse of facts/truth but that was exhausting and I got really tired of people on those shows telling me what I should believe. I just want to hear factual stories without the spin and make up my own mind...is that too much to ask?
I implore you to do some critical thinking and try this experiment: Pick any MSM website and do a search on any topic like “COVID-19 treatments” or “Joe Biden”. MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC will spin it for their liberal audience while Fox News will do the same for their conservative audiences. Now do the same search on “google” vs “duckduckgo” Internet search engines. What did you come up with?
I will leave you all with some questions to ponder....I bet we all come up with different answers and that’s ok it is still a free country (until November!)
1. Why are we being censored on all social media platforms and does anyone fact check the social media fact checkers?
2. Is all this really just about the election or is it about control by Big Pharma, MSM and Big Tech?
3. Why does the WH Keep saying that an anti-malaria drug will help with Covid?
4. Who benefits the most from keeping people sick and afraid? (see Q2)
5. Why is President Trump so orange? Is it a “fake tan”?
6. What is pizzagate and what else can you order at Comet Ping Pong Pizza in Washington DC besides food?
7. What is free speech and does it really exist in America?
8. Why do black lives matter more every 4 years? Why are you considered racist if you say all lives (including babies and police lives) matter, even if you are a person of color?
9. Why do so many acquaintances/foes of the Clintons end up dead?
10. Why are they selling LPs at Target and when will they bring back the 8 track tape?
11. Why did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide? Does a pillow on Wayfair really cost 10 grand?
12. Why does the president use Twitter so much and what is “fake news?”
13. What is the difference between communism, socialism, capitalism and which one gives individuals more freedom and opportunities?
14. What happens when only the criminals have guns and the police are defunded or disbanded all together?
15. Why is it so damn hot in the Phoenix area in the summer?
16. What is the real cost of human trafficking and who is to gain from allowing it to continue?
17. Who is Q, what is Qanon and Why is this the 17th question?
18. Why are kids being indoctrinated in public schools rather than being taught critical thinking?
19. Why did my son’s fifth grade teacher tell him all presidents prior to Abraham Lincoln were “bad” because they own slaves? Why did that same teacher also say that people working at Walmart are like modern day slaves?
20. What really happened in Roswell New Mexico in the 1950s? 👽
21. Why did Don Jr & Sidney Powell get their twitter accounts suspended when individuals in terrorist organizations (like the Taliban) do not?
22. How many vaccinations did we get when we were kids and how many does the CDC now recommend for newborn babies?
23. What is the difference between a peaceful protest and a riot? Which one allows fireworks and projectiles such as frozen water bottles and bricks to be thrown at police or through windows ?
24. Why did those creepy ads that come up on Amazon, Yahoo mail, Google mail after doing a browser search stop when I stopped using Google search engines and started using DuckDuckGo?
25. Why is Hatch green chile soooooo much better than Anaheim green chile? Why can’t Texans spell chile?
26. Why was a house judiciary committee “hearing” held with AG Barr when the majority of the “gentlemen” and “gentleladies” used their 5 minutes to rant and refused to let him answer questions?
27. When will children go back to school - in person?
28. Who wants to be the first to be vaccinated for covid under operation warp speed?
29. Why does the FB team formally known as the Washington Redskins now have the most boring name and logo in NFL history?
30. Multiple choice: Who has never lied to us?
⁃ a) The government
⁃ b) news outlets
⁃ c) our mamas (think Santa)
⁃ d) none of the above
Peace out, be kind to animals, question everything, think critically.


I looked at just a couple of tidbits wanting to vomit then came to DU and saw your response and it hit me that it was the perfect response to this. LOL So I posted what you wrote with just a slight change. Thanks again

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