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spanone

(135,891 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 08:53 AM Jul 2020

trump just floated the idea of delaying election




With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
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trump just floated the idea of delaying election (Original Post) spanone Jul 2020 OP
I reported it (on twitter) riversedge Jul 2020 #1
So it begins. spanone Jul 2020 #2
indeed and we ain't seen nothing yet Celerity Jul 2020 #16
This was the plan all along everybody. Isn't it clear? triron Jul 2020 #30
It is set in the Constitution, and it would be a violation of Federal law. Still I am concerned still_one Jul 2020 #3
No kidding. Scary as hell. spanone Jul 2020 #6
see reply 18 below... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #20
This stain needs to go! North Shore Chicago Jul 2020 #4
+++ still_one Jul 2020 #5
Fucking Felon strikes again gohuskies Jul 2020 #7
Simple question malaise Jul 2020 #8
the daily crazy show just got crazier spanone Jul 2020 #11
It's a distraction Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #9
Of course it is....but he's serious as hell. You can bet on that. spanone Jul 2020 #10
+1. The worst economic contraction on record: dalton99a Jul 2020 #14
Exactly. If he is good at one thing, it is changing the subject. tinrobot Jul 2020 #34
If you're on Twitter, please report this tweet for attempting to Mike 03 Jul 2020 #12
Done. spanone Jul 2020 #13
Twitter simply needs to perma ban his criminal arse nt Celerity Jul 2020 #17
Done Blecht Jul 2020 #21
The only thing worse for Republicans than losing the next election.... kentuck Jul 2020 #15
Actually... it could be postponed, but not by trump alone.... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #18
Sounds like the kind of mess trump would revel in spanone Jul 2020 #19
That is exactly what he wants. honest.abe Jul 2020 #23
yup - putins plan a - .... and planning for.... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #25
The House won't vote for a delay still_one Jul 2020 #24
nope, but that doesn't mean they won't try anyway..... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #28
where in the Constitution does it say a candidate must get at least 270 vote in order to win. Kaleva Jul 2020 #27
12th amendment.... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #29
The states appoints the electors and that's done after the eelction Kaleva Jul 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #32
an election is not required to appoint electors..... getagrip_already Jul 2020 #35
In a functioning government ok_cpu Jul 2020 #22
Kick dalton99a Jul 2020 #26
..... marmar Jul 2020 #33
Trump succeeded in changing the subject Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #36

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
20. see reply 18 below...
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jul 2020

Only the expiration of office and rules for succession (in the event no valid election occurs) is set in the constitution. The date of the election is set by federal law. But it isn't that simple.

North Shore Chicago

(3,330 posts)
4. This stain needs to go!
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jul 2020

If he squats one second longer, I won't have any hair left, I won't have any fingernails left, just put me in a padded tiny house and feed me through the window.

Oye!

gohuskies

(1,157 posts)
7. Fucking Felon strikes again
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jul 2020

This is the final straw for him and reeks of total desperation. The entire GOP is in cahoots and now is the Nero Party.

Johnny2X2X

(19,140 posts)
9. It's a distraction
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020

He has no power to do this, do not fall for the distraction.

Economy shrunk by 1/3!

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
12. If you're on Twitter, please report this tweet for attempting to
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jul 2020

suppress or shed doubt on the voting process.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
15. The only thing worse for Republicans than losing the next election....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jul 2020

...is winning the next election.

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
18. Actually... it could be postponed, but not by trump alone....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:22 AM
Jul 2020

The date the presidential election is held is set by an act of congress (law) that was passed a long time ago. It is the law of the land and can only be changed by another act of congress.

Beyond that, it gets complicated as to what happens if an election just doesn't get held or if it obstructed in a profound way.

The constitution sets a firm date for the end of a potus/vpotus term of office. Jan 20 at noon (I believe). So trump would be out of office regardless of anything else if (1) valid elections weren't held resulting in (2) a failure by the EC to award 270 votes to any one candidate., and (3), the house failed to vote on a potus before 1/20.

If 2 and 3 of those conditions hold, and the senate didn't elect a vp (the house elects the potus with one rep chosen by each state, but the senate chooses the VP) Pence would become potus on 1/20 for a full 4 year term.

Like I said complicated. Add to that that the house and senate roll their offices in early january, and we have a real mess. Could the gop senate appoint a vp ahead of the january rollover? If they can, it would effectively choose the next president. I guess scotus would have the final say here. Scary even if rbg wasn't back in a hospital.

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
25. yup - putins plan a - .... and planning for....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

This was putins plan for 2016 if trump lost. Create such a mess constitutionally that it would degrade our democracy. That is his real objective. To destroy our standing and power in the world and reduce us to just another crazy town autocracy.

Trumps team has laid the groundwork for this in several ways. First, his attacks on mail in voting and the febrile lins to chinese hacking. Republicans are eating this up - even the ones who should know better. They believe russia is neutral and china is evil (well, 50% right). They really believe jina is trying to throw the election to biden, even though it is obvious they want trump.

Next, his henchman are positioning a shutdown of the usps for mail in ballots. They will likely try to collect and hold ballots from urban areas until after the election on "grounds". It would be dead stupid easy for the postal inspector to do this. Illegal yes, but who is going to charge them?

Barr specifically wouldn't say that the election can't be postponed. That means they are going to try to order it postponed hoping enough states will obey to cause confusion. Confusion is their ally.

He is pre-positioning dhs to cause havoc on election day in key areas.

They plan on doing their very best to steal this election, but at the very least they plan to make a world joke of our election system. It's a message to any country that strives for free and fair elections. Your time will come. There is no shining city on the hill to advocate for you. You are on your own.



getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
28. nope, but that doesn't mean they won't try anyway.....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jul 2020

Trump's regime is one memo away from ruling by decree. He has mentioned it, so someone brought it up to him (he can't filter, he just repeats things he hears when he feels like it).

That means barr is working on it and they will spring it at the last moment. They know it takes time for the courts to react, and that scotus takes even longer.

It's hard to hold an election when you have blackwater troops holding m16's in front of polling places, or when feds swoop in on election night and seize ballot boxes.

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
27. where in the Constitution does it say a candidate must get at least 270 vote in order to win.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:41 AM
Jul 2020

All it says is the candidate must get a majority of the APPOINTED electors in order to be declared the winner.

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
29. 12th amendment....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jul 2020

"The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President,"

The key term there is electors appointed. They are appointed before the election. Each state gets one for each rep and senator it elects.

That fixes the majority of those appointed at 270 since the total number of congress critters is 538.

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
31. The states appoints the electors and that's done after the eelction
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jul 2020

In Michigan, parties hold conventions before the election to choose electors. These names are submitted to the state SOS. When the state SOS certifies which candidate won the popular vote, that candidate's list of names are appointed as the state's electors. thus, electors aren't officially appointed until after the election.

Edit: I think we need a clear cut definition of what "appointed" in the 12th Amendment means.

Response to getagrip_already (Reply #18)

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
35. an election is not required to appoint electors.....
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jul 2020

There is NO requirement that a general election for specific candidates be held to appoint electors. It can be done by vote in state legislatures.

States could and presumably would still appoint electors regardless of whether an election was held. Not having 538 appointed isn't really a question.

The number they are allotted is fixed and exists before the election. States could easily vote to modify how electors are appointed befor the college meets. No state will want to go unrepresented. Some will end up appointing eectors in opposition to how the citizens would have or did vote.

Like I said. It gets complicated.

ok_cpu

(2,055 posts)
22. In a functioning government
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jul 2020

He'd be impeached by lunch end removed before end of day for this suggestion.

Plus, this would certainly bring out all of the patriots against government overreach that we hear so much about.

Johnny2X2X

(19,140 posts)
36. Trump succeeded in changing the subject
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jul 2020

The US economy shrunk by 1/3, that's the headline, except it's not the headline in most places now, his distraction about delaying the election is.

And his goal is to destroy confidence in mail in voting so more people in Dem areas will opt to stand in line to vote instead of the easier and safer mail in.

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