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Nevilledog

(51,157 posts)
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:52 PM Aug 2020

'Malignant' GOP voters will keep backing 'dumber and angrier' candidates no matter what happens...

‘Malignant’ GOP voters will keep backing ‘dumber and angrier’ candidates no matter what happens in November: Conservative

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/malignant-gop-voters-will-keep-backing-dumber-and-angrier-candidates-no-matter-what-happens-in-november-conservative/

Even if the Republican Party suffers crippling losses in November’s election, that won’t solve the problem of the “malignant Republican voter.”

President Donald Trump’s conservative opponents have been publicly debating whether the GOP deserves to survive, but The Week columnist Damon Linker says reducing the party to cinders and ash won’t root out the party’s rotten core.

“The head of the party is a corrupt and malicious imbecile,” Linker wrote. “Republicans in Congress are a mix of Trump enablers, obstructionist-demagogues out to maximize the wealth of their donors, know-nothing conspiracist loons, and a few reformers experimenting with the most politically palatable way to blend nationalism with socialism. All of them are primarily motivated by the drive toward self-promotion within the right-wing media complex. And when we move further down the Republican hierarchy to the state and local level, things only get worse.”

The problem isn’t just GOP candidates and elected officials, Linker wrote. The problem is the voters who gladly elevate and elect those candidates.

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'Malignant' GOP voters will keep backing 'dumber and angrier' candidates no matter what happens... (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
For them, it's all about owning the libs SledDriver Aug 2020 #1
I'm not sure that they are succeeding abakan Aug 2020 #21
Yes, his enablers will continue.. they are still in a dwindling minority Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #2
Too many in the Democratic Party zipplewrath Aug 2020 #3
I think it moved everything to the political right. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #14
Arguing with ourselves zipplewrath Aug 2020 #26
The Tea Party gave rise to many "obstructionist-demagogues" and they are Mike 03 Aug 2020 #4
The Malignant MAGAt base will finish off the party. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #5
k&r for visibility alwaysinasnit Aug 2020 #6
Positive feedback loops ThoughtCriminal Aug 2020 #7
Back in 2010, FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #17
I'm still hoping Michelle Obama will save us. Grokenstein Aug 2020 #8
IMO, the root of the problem is the rightwing propaganda machine William Seger Aug 2020 #9
Hate Radio! How many fucking times do I have to say; "Hate Radio"? maxrandb Aug 2020 #10
I'm not worried. Mr.Bill Aug 2020 #11
I figure it will be a Kobach-Cuccinelli ticket. Maybe throw some Tom cotton and madinmaryland Aug 2020 #12
I hope this just means the party will shrink and disappear, forcing large donors to invest jorgevlorgan Aug 2020 #13
Read John Dean's Book, Conservatives Without Conscience... it's all explained. zaj Aug 2020 #15
I very much dislike links to Raw Story. They take someone else's work, paraphrase it, add a few scarletwoman Aug 2020 #16
The GOP has specifically recruited true believers and cultists Ford_Prefect Aug 2020 #18
30-35% of the population Roc2020 Aug 2020 #19
I said years ago that it won't be long before louis-t Aug 2020 #20
Rule of the Minority modrepub Aug 2020 #24
I call it MAGA LIFE budkin Aug 2020 #22
They can't be converted they need to be marginalized DIVINEprividence Aug 2020 #23
Insane Repubs greblach Aug 2020 #25

SledDriver

(2,059 posts)
1. For them, it's all about owning the libs
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 03:04 PM
Aug 2020

They will proudly and defiantly act against their own best interests, as long as it means pissing off liberals. Anything else is viewed as weakness.

abakan

(1,819 posts)
21. I'm not sure that they are succeeding
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:35 PM
Aug 2020

In pissing liberals off. I just pity them, they don't understand their actions
are hurting themselves. If anything I am embarrassed for them and hope
they will understand once the virus touches them.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
3. Too many in the Democratic Party
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 03:06 PM
Aug 2020

Ever since Reagan, moderate or reasonable republicans started leaving the party and joining with the more conservative elements of the democratic party. Our big tent philosophy gave them a space the GOP wouldn't. Unfortunately, that left the extreme right left over to run the party. So we can't have reasonable debates on policy issues. Instead we have a body politic that has to deal with conspiracy theories and russian propaganda.

When the Lincoln Project is done, I'd wish they'd throw out the RWNJ and take the party back so that the democratic party can have reasonable debates with reasonable people about real issues.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
14. I think it moved everything to the political right.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:02 PM
Aug 2020

Normal people left the republicon party, which moved it to become the crackpot-crazy right. The ones who joined the Democratic party haven't changed their position to the left, so that has moved the Democratic party away from the left where it belongs.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
26. Arguing with ourselves
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Aug 2020

The end result is that we end up appearing unorganized and arguing amongst ourselves. With a reformed GOP this country could have real national debates about real issues and policies, not birther nonsense.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. The Tea Party gave rise to many "obstructionist-demagogues" and they are
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 03:31 PM
Aug 2020

turning out to be difficult to dislodge. In my state we have Congressman Paul Gosar who often runs unchallenged, election after election. It's the opinion of many political experts that there is no point in running against Gosar because he will continue to win as long as he runs. There are many others. Andy Biggs might be one. Louie Gohmert might be an example too. No matter how little they accomplish for their districts, no matter how offensive or ineffectual, they get returned to office.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
7. Positive feedback loops
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 03:59 PM
Aug 2020

Have created a political version of "Moore's Law" where the GOP gets twice as extreme every election cycle.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
17. Back in 2010,
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:08 PM
Aug 2020

when they ran crazies like "Teenage Witch ODonnell", it really seemed like they were trying to see what it would take to get a totally-unqualified fool to win. Between some of the ballot measures, teabaggers, nutty candidates, and the unverifiable touchscreen machines, it's like the republicons were calibrating the stealing machinery.

So we ended up with tRump. I think the backlash and outrage was underestimated, so we gained ground in 2018. But even then, the Blue Wave should have been even more of a tsunami. Republicons still managed to steal the FL and GA governorships, and I'm not sure I believe the legitimacy of Skeletor Rick Scott either.

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
8. I'm still hoping Michelle Obama will save us.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 04:20 PM
Aug 2020

If she went on TV and said Americans should, under any circumstance, avoid jamming conductive metal objects into live wall sockets, the national I.Q. would quattuordecuple overnight. It would be well worth the nationwide lingering smell of burning back hair.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
9. IMO, the root of the problem is the rightwing propaganda machine
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 04:22 PM
Aug 2020

... created to advance the "conservative movement" but instead feeds the reactionary movement that replaced it.

Mr.Bill

(24,311 posts)
11. I'm not worried.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 04:48 PM
Aug 2020

I'm sure Kamala Harris can handily beat Ted Nugent in 2024.

Especially when he picks Sarah Palin as his running mate.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
12. I figure it will be a Kobach-Cuccinelli ticket. Maybe throw some Tom cotton and
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 04:52 PM
Aug 2020

Marsha Blackman into the mix also. Batshit crazy!

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
15. Read John Dean's Book, Conservatives Without Conscience... it's all explained.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:05 PM
Aug 2020
https://smile.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745?sa-no-redirect=1

30% of the population has an authoritarian personality type. They fear change and embrace hierarchy and leaders who promise to seize control and stop the change. They are natural followers and while smart and successful, they memorize their beliefs, they don't reason them out.

So anyone con-artist can lie to them, and if they are a "trusted" con-artist, they will listen.

So, until 1980, this 30% was split evenly between the Dems and the GOP. But the post-Reagan culture war electoral strategy (Lee Atwater, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Fox News, etc) pulled most all of these people from the Dems to the GOP.

So nearly 100% of the authoritarian followers are not concentrated in the GOP and they have a political party. I don't see them going anywhere, and they aren't fracturing, because they always unify behind the chosen leader.

That person will likely always be the craziest narcissist. It will get more worse because the propaganda will get more effective and the next con-artists won't be so stupid and crazy. The rest of the country needs to find a way to put aide our differences and not fracture too much.

Otherwise, we are in for much worse future than our present.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
16. I very much dislike links to Raw Story. They take someone else's work, paraphrase it, add a few
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:06 PM
Aug 2020

comments of their own, re-title it for click bait - and worst of all, fail to link to the actual original piece.

To me, that's theft.

Here is the link to the original work - which is what should have been posted in the first place: https://theweek.com/articles/929197/republican-problem-no-knows-how-solve

The Republican problem no one knows how to solve

Damon Linker
August 5, 2020


In the raging debate among Trump-critical conservatives over whether the goal in November should be merely to defeat the president or to pursue the more radical strategy of burning the Republican Party to the ground, I'm firmly on the side of scorched earth.

The case for maximalism is strong. The head of the party is a corrupt and malicious imbecile. Republicans in Congress are a mix of Trump enablers, obstructionist-demagogues out to maximize the wealth of their donors, know-nothing conspiracist loons, and a few reformers experimenting with the most politically palatable way to blend nationalism with socialism. All of them are primarily motivated by the drive toward self-promotion within the right-wing media complex. And when we move further down the Republican hierarchy to the state and local level, things only get worse.

So yes, it would be very good for the Republican Party of Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, Louie Gohmert, Devin Nunes, and all the rest of them to be leveled to the ground so a wholly new party — a more reasonable, responsible, principled, and honorable party — can be built in its place.

There's just one difficulty with the plan: It does nothing to address the root of the problem, which no one — not the minimalist Trump haters, and not the fiercest maximalists out to pummel the party's establishment — has a clue how to solve.

That is the problem of the Republican voter.

Please go read the rest of the piece at the link!

Ford_Prefect

(7,914 posts)
18. The GOP has specifically recruited true believers and cultists
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:14 PM
Aug 2020

over the last 3 decades for nearly every level of the party. They spout RW dogma and conspiracy theory as if it was proven fact. I watched the GOP in NC the morph from Reaganite optimism to Falwellist denial and vitriol. Our local school board and county commissions echoed the same changes. When I visited and later moved to western Montana I saw the same changes. My sister in Spokane has seen the same. Where once there was cooperation however grudging we now see absolutism and accusation.

I had NC neighbors who used to be able to speak about things we disagreed on turn into the kind of zealots who could only vehemently repeat party dogma. In Trump's era, I have seen the same social chasm divide the towns and communities here in Montana.

IMO the conservative Right-wing machine has much to answer for including the entire COVID-19 death and disaster. They put this process in motion and sealed it against the possibility that important real events and advice could bring responsible people to consider changing course in the face of the evidence. There are NO responsible GOP members in any office at any level. They resemble the political infrastructure of East Germany before the wall fell. They only relate to the world as the party officially announces is the correct way. They lack the capacity to consider any other view and rail against informed dissent as if it was an alien religion.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
19. 30-35% of the population
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:20 PM
Aug 2020

is a lot of people that can cause a lot of trouble. A Trump loss will not win one GOP Trump voter over to a Biden voter. Democrats Moderates and Independents have to be as vigilant and motivated as the Trump voter in every single local city state and federal election. If we don't 2024 will be Trump11. These people are die hard believers.

louis-t

(23,296 posts)
20. I said years ago that it won't be long before
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:29 PM
Aug 2020

every repug candidate for president will have to walk to the podium and fire his gun into the air. It will be a requirement.

modrepub

(3,500 posts)
24. Rule of the Minority
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:54 PM
Aug 2020

Just look at the Senate. It amplifies the small state/ultra right power base. It's replicated at the state level where rural areas that tend to back ultra conservative candidates who don't compromise and are guided by just a few issues (taxes/abortion) dominate state legislatures. The Tea Party and Republican efforts to win state level election back in the 90s left us with Gerrymandered districts that largely represent rural areas that contribute little in the way of tax revenue and represent smaller and smaller portions of the population since these areas tend to have declining business prospects and therefore have trouble attracting/retaining younger folks (probably doesn't help these areas largely oppose immigration).

Dems would be smart if they started limiting how much tax revenue filters out of the cities and surrounding suburban areas into the rural areas. It's probably one of the reasons local taxes are so high in "blue" areas; they have to raise local taxes to counteract the net loss on the state and federal levels.

 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
23. They can't be converted they need to be marginalized
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:48 PM
Aug 2020

Cue Lincoln Project and Never Trumpers. They have done a great service to Democrats by moving us more to the center. Why? To cut this weirdo white nationalist trump cult out like a cancerous tumor. Under normal times I would be a drive the liberal base type. But these are not normal times.

greblach

(257 posts)
25. Insane Repubs
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 06:15 PM
Aug 2020

In my state the primary just finished has the Repub nominee for Governor a police chief from the town of Republic (pop. 1,100). His claim to fame was his avowed non compliance with the Governor's Covid19 orders, and refusal to enforce State gun legislation passed by a 60+ vote by Citizen Initiative in 2018. Just nuts.

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