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If I were a good cop you know who I would hate? (Original Post)
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2020
OP
problem is they can't/won't cross the blue line and hence, they become bad cops
beachbumbob
Aug 2020
#3
Reminds me of the line from Scarecrow On The Mountain about farm foreclosures
DemocratSinceBirth
Aug 2020
#5
snowybirdie
(5,239 posts)1. And they do
Have that on expert authority.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)2. I have a friend. He's retired LAPD.
He's far from a liberal but I would trust him to treat all suspects the same.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)3. problem is they can't/won't cross the blue line and hence, they become bad cops
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)5. Reminds me of the line from Scarecrow On The Mountain about farm foreclosures
The crops we grew last summer weren't enough to pay the loans
Couldn't buy the seed to plant this spring and the farmers bank foreclosed
Called my old friend schepman up to auction off the land
He said john its just my job and I hope you understand
Hey calling it your job ol hoss sure dont make it right
Couldn't buy the seed to plant this spring and the farmers bank foreclosed
Called my old friend schepman up to auction off the land
He said john its just my job and I hope you understand
Hey calling it your job ol hoss sure dont make it right
The blue wall of silence makes it hard on good cops. Remember the movie Crash?
treestar
(82,383 posts)4. Well, wouldn't anyone
Lawyers should hate bad lawyers. Doctors would hate bad doctors.
But everyone hates being generalized about based on a profession they chose.
Celerity
(43,529 posts)6. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." ― Edmund Burke
(in a letter addressed to Thomas Mercer)
That's the short version, attributed to Burke. A longer version reads as follows:
http://www.openculture.com/2016/03/edmund-burkeon-in-action.html
Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design.
They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength.
Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable.
Where men are not acquainted with each others principles, nor experienced in each others talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy.
In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public.
No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens.
When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength.
Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable.
Where men are not acquainted with each others principles, nor experienced in each others talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy.
In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public.
No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens.
When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).
dalton99a
(81,590 posts)7. Keep your mouth shut if you don't want to lose your pension or worse
is how the gang enforces discipline within its own ranks
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)8. It must be tough. Look what happened to Frank Serpico.
You also don't know if other cops will have your back in an emergency.
dalton99a
(81,590 posts)9. +1. Latest example:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cariol-horne-buffalo-police-chokehold/
June 19, 2020, 9:35 AM
A Buffalo police officer says she stopped a fellow cop's chokehold on a black suspect. She was fired.
Former Buffalo police officer Cariol Horne was fired in 2008 after she says she stopped a white officer's chokehold on a black suspect in handcuffs. Now, the Buffalo city council is asking the New York attorney general to investigate Horne's firing.
Horne, a nearly 20-year veteran of the Buffalo Police Department, told CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan the image of George Floyd dying at the hands of police in Minneapolis is triggering.
In 2006, then-officer Horne made headlines after intervening when she says fellow officer Greg Kwiatkowski was choking a black suspect, Neal Mack.
"Neal Mack looked like he was about to die," Horne said. "So had I not stepped in, he possibly could have. He was handcuffed and being choked."
The Buffalo Police Department brought disciplinary charges against Horne and fired her in 2008, a few months before she was eligible to receive a full pension. Kwiatkowski sued Horne and her lawyer for defamation.
June 19, 2020, 9:35 AM
A Buffalo police officer says she stopped a fellow cop's chokehold on a black suspect. She was fired.
Former Buffalo police officer Cariol Horne was fired in 2008 after she says she stopped a white officer's chokehold on a black suspect in handcuffs. Now, the Buffalo city council is asking the New York attorney general to investigate Horne's firing.
Horne, a nearly 20-year veteran of the Buffalo Police Department, told CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan the image of George Floyd dying at the hands of police in Minneapolis is triggering.
In 2006, then-officer Horne made headlines after intervening when she says fellow officer Greg Kwiatkowski was choking a black suspect, Neal Mack.
"Neal Mack looked like he was about to die," Horne said. "So had I not stepped in, he possibly could have. He was handcuffed and being choked."
The Buffalo Police Department brought disciplinary charges against Horne and fired her in 2008, a few months before she was eligible to receive a full pension. Kwiatkowski sued Horne and her lawyer for defamation.