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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:31 PM Sep 2012

Hrrrmmmm (Mitt's tax return discrepancy alert)

Hrrrmmmm

Josh Marshall

Rick Newman notes that when Romney released his preliminary 2011 tax return estimates in January he was reporting $20,901,075 in adjusted gross income. The final returns released today show $13,696,961 in adjusted gross income.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/hrrrmmmm_1.php


Rick Newman

The Mysteries in Mitt Romney's Tax Return

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The most likely explanation is that Romney's accountants transferred income from Romney's personal return to one of the three trusts that also generate considerable income, almost all of it from investments. It will take a detailed examination of the 2010 and 2011 documents to figure out what changed, but here's a clue: Romney's campaign has begun to focus on the "personal" tax rate paid by Romney, rather than the tax rate that might be associated with the trusts and his total income from all sources.

This matters because Romney is subject to a very low tax rate as it is, since most of his earnings come from investments, which are taxed at a lower rate than wages. Romney hasn't released tax documents prior to 2010, but some tax experts think his overall tax rate could have been very close to zero during at least a couple of years, possibly because of capital losses suffered during the stock-market wipeout of 2008, which zeroed out earnings for many investors.

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The Romney campaign now says that since 1990, "the lowest annual effective federal personal tax rate" Romney paid was 13.66 percent. In other words, the rate on what might be characterized as his personal income never fell below that threshold.

But that doesn't account for the three trusts, or other investment vehicles that may have existed prior to 2010. And it's unusual to limit the claim to "personal" taxes when Romney has acknowledged other types of income. So it's possible that the effective tax rate on the trusts was very low at some point—and maybe even zero, which would have indicated a net loss for the year.

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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/09/21/the-mysteries-in-mitt-romneys-tax-return

What is Mitt hiding?

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Hrrrmmmm (Mitt's tax return discrepancy alert) (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2012 OP
Sounds fishy to me... goclark Sep 2012 #1
+1 I smell flounder(ing)! nt flamingdem Sep 2012 #4
Yep. That fish is flappin' all over the deck. I'm not fooled. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #8
soundsfishy kardonb Sep 2012 #10
FFS, the guy's 2011 tax rate was 9%, he paid more because he knows people are watching. JaneyVee Sep 2012 #2
I know how he feels.. PCIntern Sep 2012 #3
would you like to veganlush Sep 2012 #7
Would you like to join my church? Applan Sep 2012 #9
He's hiding a lot of income. And avoiding taxes. bluerum Sep 2012 #5
Only Mitt could prove you wrong. ProSense Sep 2012 #11
My tax returns were numbing to Cha Sep 2012 #6
Kick! ProSense Sep 2012 #12
Keep kicked ~ something is not right goclark Sep 2012 #13
For openers.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #14
Its that pesky arithmetic... Historic NY Sep 2012 #15

PCIntern

(25,582 posts)
3. I know how he feels..
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:42 PM
Sep 2012

Last fiscal year, I transferred 56,745,987,201.00 to my a numbered account in Swtizerland and they had the temerity to charge me FIFTY DOLLARS!!!!! For the transaction just because it was by wire. Big frigging deal....wire my ass! Just because I had to move 10% of my available funds doesn't mean that they can cheat me like this.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
6. My tax returns were numbing to
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
Sep 2012

me..never mind tricky mitt's. Still, I'd like to understand and keep trying.. here's a piece from ThinkProgress that Asks just 10 Questions of mitt..

10 Questions Romney Must Answer About His Taxes

1. After the election, when the subject of your tax returns is outside of the public glare, will you file an amended tax return to claim your full deduction of charitable contributions? Was the tax rate you reported for other years similarly manipulated?

2. Why was your 2011 income $7 million lower than you estimated it to be in January? How does someone overestimate their income by $7 million?


The rest of the questions..
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/21/893211/questions-romney-taxes/

Thanks ProSense for this information you've been providing!

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
14. For openers....
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:56 PM
Sep 2012

I assume that his holdings in Switzerland and Grand Cayman are not included on his return.

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