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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:39 PM Sep 2012

Two interesting points from the Wall Street Journal's "Live Audit" of the Romney tax documents

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/21/live-audit-the-romney-tax-documents/

4:32 pm by Liam Denning

We checked with the Romney campaign and the 20-year tax-rate average is a simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income).

It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally -- whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.

Of course, releasing the actual underlying year-by-year data would clear up any confusion -- but that is a step Mr. Romney has said he won't take.



4:31 pm by Mark Maremont

Most Americans have a pretty good idea what they made last year. Mr. Romney and his advisers apparently didn’t.

In January, they estimated the Romneys’ 2011 adjusted gross income had been $20.9 million. But when the actual tax return was filed Friday, their AGI was significantly less, at $13.7 million.

The main differences were capital gains, which were reported as $6.8 million, vs. the $10.7 million earlier estimate, and income from partnerships, S corporations and other entities, reported as $120,000, vs. an earlier estimate of $2.8 million. It’s not clear why the Romneys’ income was so much less than had been earlier expected.

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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
1. It's arithmetic...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

Simple arithmetic, meant to confuse and deceive, very undesirable characteristics in any person...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
2. You would think, knowing all the scrutiny that would ensue, that they would be prepared to answer
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

the $7 million difference. Nope.

thanks for the link. this is all so fascinating !!

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. When you have a lot of partnerships you don't get the final K-1s
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:09 PM
Sep 2012

Til late, around September sometimes.

Early on you may get an estimate but the final needs to be audited.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
3. They are hiding the rest offshore hoping that you won't find it
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

tax havens like the Isle of Man, Caymans probably won't disclose his accounts

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. Well now we know why he donated so much...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:06 PM
Sep 2012

It did seem outsized compared to his income but that is because he thought he made more.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. good point. but, perhaps he hid the income to bring his liability down? that way
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

he could boast about the "unclaimed" charity.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
9. Well, he has been successful in getting people talking about something else...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:17 PM
Sep 2012

..instead of the 47% moochers and the dramatic drops in the polls. This is an issue which he thinks he can control the message. He lost complete control of the other stories.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. But, it all ties together, doesn't it. Privileged class, wizard tax experts, still not paying a
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:57 PM
Sep 2012

decent rate. I was so wrong. Earlier today, I had predicted they would finagle it up, but not too high. I was guessing they would get it up to 18.3% (just pulled that number out of my ass)

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
14. It's bizarre that he keeps parceling out his tax returns
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:24 AM
Sep 2012

There's always something he leaves out. Pretty strange behavior if you ask me.

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