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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 04:02 AM Sep 2020

The psychological reason why his voters CANNOT leave Trump, not even in private:

Whatever Trump did in the past, his poll-numbers never dropped below 40% of the populace. That's his base. The Trump-voter. Not the republican voters in general who make up 50% of the electorate, but the actual Trump-voter is these 40% of the electorate.

In order to understand the mindset of a Trump-voter, you have to understand the mindset of a conspiracy-theorist!



The vast majority of the population is mediocre, average, unremarkable. But we all want to be someone special, we all want the higher social standing that comes with being someone special. Preferably without having to put in any actual effort like e.g. hard work.

If you believe in a conspiracy-theory, that AUTOMATICALLY makes you someone special, with no need to put in any effort. You are AUTOMATICALLY transformed from someone lowly into a genius who recognizes the truth, into a hero who opposes dark forces.

And THAT is the appeal of believing in conspiracy-theories. (Well, one of the three appeals. see article)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/talking-apes/201801/why-do-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories



And that is what Trump has to offer. He offers you hidden truths to recognize. He offers you dark forces to oppose.

If Trump is correct, then you are a genius for knowing these hidden truths Trump told you about.

If Trump is correct, then you are a hero for opposing these dark forces Trump told you about.

If Trump is wrong, you are and remain a nobody.

So, who do you want to be? A genius and hero, or a nobody?

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The psychological reason why his voters CANNOT leave Trump, not even in private: (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2020 OP
Good observations canetoad Sep 2020 #1
I would also offer LakeVermilion Sep 2020 #2
Yep! I think you hit that sad rusty nail on its flaking head RVN VET71 Sep 2020 #13
So this means that another Pied Piper will come along one day , and all this crap secondwind Sep 2020 #3
Not if education... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #20
Could that Piper ever be a Democrat? LakeVermilion Sep 2020 #21
Authoritarianism is the key, imho ronatchig Sep 2020 #4
I can believe that 40% of the electorate are Trump voters DFW Sep 2020 #5
Talking with a local GOP committeeman years ago Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #7
Those are just rough numbers. Not every republican voter is a hardcore Trump-voter. DetlefK Sep 2020 #11
The GOP created Trump and supports Trump RVN VET71 Sep 2020 #14
Dunning-Kruger effect safeinOhio Sep 2020 #6
His Supporters are Mostly just Racists and other Bigots so they agree with most of his shit JI7 Sep 2020 #8
They are the chimps and we're the bonobos ... that's my theory (nt) mr_lebowski Sep 2020 #9
That certainly describes part of his followers Chainfire Sep 2020 #15
Republican voters do not make up 50% of the electorate. nt Baltimike Sep 2020 #10
... Major Nikon Sep 2020 #12
The Atlantic had an essay on this subject too BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #16
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #17
Not all of them are conspiracy theorists, though. But all of them ARE racist and sexist. Squinch Sep 2020 #18
This fits a close relative to a tee. Always desperate to collect whatever information that will dameatball Sep 2020 #19
They want to be a part of a group. Any group. herding cats Sep 2020 #22

LakeVermilion

(1,043 posts)
2. I would also offer
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 04:27 AM
Sep 2020

that some of these people find that this is the easiest way to be the hero. They could choose to volunteer, or to be a mentor, but that would take too long and require too much of a commitment. This way, they get to keep their time and effort and still be someone special.

Perhaps they are lazy, or impatient, but by following Trump they can get attention by re-posting ready-made crap on Facebook or Twitter.

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
13. Yep! I think you hit that sad rusty nail on its flaking head
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:02 AM
Sep 2020

You can go help out at a soup kitchen or volunteer to help with a charity but, doing that, you'll get smirks from your idiot cohorts. Ah, but join with them to argue and complain about the dark forces, and your membership in the macho-moron gang is guaranteed, brandish a rifle, and call your friends to arms "if it comes down to that, y'know?" -- and your membership is complete.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
3. So this means that another Pied Piper will come along one day , and all this crap
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 04:33 AM
Sep 2020

will repeat itself all over again......

2naSalit

(86,736 posts)
20. Not if education...
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 09:32 AM
Sep 2020

real education, is offered to all and civics is begun at an early point in that education.

LakeVermilion

(1,043 posts)
21. Could that Piper ever be a Democrat?
Mon Sep 7, 2020, 11:52 PM
Sep 2020

I would hope that we wouldn't fall for that.

Most liberals have some particle of anarchist, so I suppose that's why our side can't stay unified. We tend to unravel our organizations.

ronatchig

(575 posts)
4. Authoritarianism is the key, imho
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:19 AM
Sep 2020

To the republican(fascist) mind. The side that makes the rules is the right side to many minds.

DFW

(54,426 posts)
5. I can believe that 40% of the electorate are Trump voters
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:33 AM
Sep 2020

I do not believe that 50% are Republicans. Trump supporters, if one can believe some studies, constitute 90% of Republican voters, which would make Republicans about 45% of the electorate, which would conform with most studies I have read in recent years. There is a reason Republicans fight tooth and nail to disenfranchise Democratic voters. That is the action of a party who knows that it is in the minority, and needs cheating to elect Representatives, Governors, State Legislators and Senators in numbers that are superior and disproportionate to their real support.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. Talking with a local GOP committeeman years ago
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:42 AM
Sep 2020

He stated that the GOP always did better with a lower turnout as the more folks who voted the less likely they were to win. So no matter the percentages which will vary by region it is certain that the are a minority party depending upon a lack of enthusiasm by Democratic voters to win.

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
14. The GOP created Trump and supports Trump
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:41 AM
Sep 2020

The GOP got us to where we are today: a country in serious decline and in imminent danger of bankruptcy, both moral and financial coal. Anyone who votes for any Republican is responsible for the mess we're in. I say this living in Maryland, a state with a good governor who happens to be a Republican. I will never vote for him, however, unless he changes his party affiliation because the GOP's name has been forever tainted by, and will forever be associated with, Trump's and McConnell's treason.

safeinOhio

(32,712 posts)
6. Dunning-Kruger effect
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:35 AM
Sep 2020

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.[1]
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Chainfire

(17,587 posts)
15. That certainly describes part of his followers
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:43 AM
Sep 2020

But you also have the wealthy who don't give a damn what else he does as long as he protects and grows their wealth.

BumRushDaShow

(129,291 posts)
16. The Atlantic had an essay on this subject too
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:44 AM
Sep 2020
Why Trump Supporters Can’t Admit Who He Really Is

Nothing bonds a group more tightly than a common enemy that is perceived as a mortal threat.
September 4, 2020
Peter Wehner
Contributing writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at EPPC


To understand the corruption, chaos, and general insanity that is continuing to engulf the Trump campaign and much of the Republican Party right now, it helps to understand the predicate embraced by many Trump supporters: If Joseph R. Biden Jr. wins the presidency, America dies. During last week’s Republican National Convention, speaker after speaker insisted that life under a Biden presidency would be dystopian.

<snip>

One does not have to be a champion of the Democratic Party to know this chthonic portrait is absurd. But it is also essential, because it allows Trump and his followers to tolerate and justify pretty much anything in order to win. And “anything” turns out to be quite a lot. In just the past two weeks, the president has praised supporters of the right-wing conspiracy theory QAnon, which contends, as The Guardian recently summarized it, that “a cabal of Satan-worshipping Democrats, Hollywood celebrities and billionaires runs the world while engaging in pedophilia, human trafficking and the harvesting of a supposedly life-extending chemical from the blood of abused children.” Trump touted a conspiracy theory that the national death toll from COVID-19 is about 9,000, a fraction of the official figure of nearly 185,000; promoted a program on the One America News Network accusing demonstrators of secretly plotting Trump’s downfall; encouraged his own supporters to commit voter fraud; and claimed Biden is controlled by “people that are in the dark shadows” who are wearing “dark uniforms.”

Trump believes his own government is conspiring to delay a COVID-19 vaccine until after the election. He retweeted a message from the actor James Woods saying New York Governor Andrew Cuomo “should be in jail” and another from an account accusing the Portland, Oregon, mayor of “committing war crimes.” The president is “inciting violence,” in the words of Maryland’s Republican Governor, Larry Hogan. Trump defended 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, a supporter who is charged with first-degree homicide; and stated that if he loses the election in November it would be because it was “rigged.” At the same time, the second-ranking House Republican, among other of the president’s supporters, has shared several manipulated videos in an effort to damage Biden.

This is just the latest installment in a four-year record of shame, indecency, incompetence, and malfeasance. And yet, for tens of millions of Trump’s supporters, none of it matters. None of it even breaks through. At this point, it appears, Donald Trump really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose his voters. This phenomenon has no shortage of explanations, but perhaps the most convincing is the terror the president’s backers feel. Time and again, I’ve had conversations with Trump supporters who believe the president is all that stands between them and cultural revolution. Trump and his advisers know it, which is why the through line of the RNC was portraying Joe Biden as a Jacobin.

<snip>


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/predicate-fear/616009/

dameatball

(7,399 posts)
19. This fits a close relative to a tee. Always desperate to collect whatever information that will
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 09:26 AM
Sep 2020

help him think he is the smartest person in the room.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
22. They want to be a part of a group. Any group.
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 12:10 AM
Sep 2020

They've spent their entire lives bouncing around from one idiotic herd to the next new one, and suddenly there's this big herd they can join and finally belong someplace where lots and lots of other people are participating and the freaking POTUS is praising and supporting you!

It's like Nirvana for lemmings.

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