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Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:03 PM Sep 2020

Did Trump order an execution and did Barr comply?


You be the judge.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Why aren’t the Portland Police ARRESTING the cold blooded killer of Aaron “Jay” Danielson. Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is. No wonder Portland is going to hell!
@TheJusticeDept

@FBI
10:40 PM · Sep 3, 2020
..........................

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, September 4, 2020
Statement by Attorney General William P. Barr on the Tracking Down of Fugitive Michael Forest Reinoehl
Attorney General William P. Barr has issued the following statement:

“Last Saturday, Aaron “Jay” Danielson was shot and killed amid the continuing violence in Portland. Local authorities subsequently obtained an arrest warrant for Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described Antifa member suspected of the alleged murder. Reinoehl fled to Washington State, where he was located yesterday by members of a fugitive task force led by the U.S. Marshals Service, the FBI, and state and local law enforcement partners. When Reinoehl attempted to escape arrest and produced a firearm, he was shot and killed by law enforcement officers.

The tracking down of Reinoehl — a dangerous fugitive, admitted Antifa member, and suspected murderer — is a significant accomplishment in the ongoing effort to restore law and order to Portland and other cities. I applaud the outstanding cooperation among federal, state, and local law enforcement, particularly the fugitive task force team that located Reinoehl and prevented him from escaping justice. The streets of our cities are safer with this violent agitator removed, and the actions that led to his location are an unmistakable demonstration that the United States will be governed by law, not violent mobs.”

Component(s):
Office of the Attorney General
Press Release Number:
20-883
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Nearly fifty shots were fired at the suspect Reinoehl by four LEO. He had gotten into his car, then got out to run when fired on. From AP:

Lt. Ray Brady of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Department said investigators have not concluded whether Reinoehl fired any shots.

Another video shot during the immediate aftermath showed Reinoehl lying motionless on the street with law enforcement officers in tactical gear and automatic rifles milling around. After several minutes, one man performed chest compressions on Reinoehl.

“Yeah, I don’t think he’s going to make it,” Jashon Spencer narrated on the video that he posted on Facebook.

Brady said he did not believe the officers involved in the shooting had body cameras or dashboard cameras on their vehicles.
Brady said the “suspect” who was killed — he declined to name him as Reinoehl — left an apartment shortly around 7 p.m. Thursday, got into a vehicle, and was confronted by the task force members. They fired into the vehicle, Reinoehl got out and ran and was shot, Brady said.
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So much we don't know. But this is curious. Performing CPR "several minutes" after perhaps fifty shots fired, with LEO "milling around" the motionless body.

And SOMEONE made a video of that and posted it on FB.
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Did Trump order an execution and did Barr comply? (Original Post) Grasswire2 Sep 2020 OP
Sadistic bastards! Did they even have any real evidence. Walleye Sep 2020 #1
Even if he did confess, he claimed that it was self defense... Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #3
We've gone full Banana Republic. Extrajudicial killings, election riots. Walleye Sep 2020 #7
Seriously? You're questioning whether they had evidence? FBaggins Sep 2020 #11
Not in this country. We try these cases in the courts. Walleye Sep 2020 #12
There's a dramatic difference FBaggins Sep 2020 #13
I didn't see the video, did it look like self-defense? Walleye Sep 2020 #16
No. It looked like cold-blooded murder FBaggins Sep 2020 #18
What are you going on about? All of what you're saying is still no... brush Sep 2020 #19
Who said they shouldn't attempt to take him into custody? FBaggins Sep 2020 #27
doesn't matter if the evidence shows self-defense or not in terms of his Constitutional rights to.. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #37
Firing squad is the correct term. When the police just empty their guns into somebody like that it's Walleye Sep 2020 #40
👆 Exactly how firing squads work. crickets Sep 2020 #46
That's missing the forest for the trees I think. Volaris Sep 2020 #25
We don't really have much of anything to go on there FBaggins Sep 2020 #32
I cant discount that possibility either. It would have helped greatly to Volaris Sep 2020 #34
He could've led cops to Antifa Headquarters, too. Now they'll never know where their secret lair is. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2020 #36
I can't bring myself to give them the benefit of the doubt this time Walleye Sep 2020 #41
I would be more likely to do so if we did not have the tweet from Trump and the .. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #42
Exactly Walleye Sep 2020 #43
Agreed...not after the rest of all the bullshit that this summer brought Volaris Sep 2020 #45
so the only "Jashon Spencer" on FB has no such video up. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #2
No body cams or dash cams, they opened fire on him in his vehicle, he got out and ran RockRaven Sep 2020 #4
+1 2naSalit Sep 2020 #6
Silencing someone who might reveal links to payments from on high? erronis Sep 2020 #5
Yes. Sounds like a cover-up of a co-conspirator. I thought that immediately Walleye Sep 2020 #9
here's the theory from the wingnuts over at Conservative TReehouse. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #10
The lack of video for a high profile arrest is troubling Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #8
almost like it was planned that way StTimofEdenRoc Sep 2020 #14
Police shooting of Michael Reinoehl struggle4progress Sep 2020 #15
Even a multiple offender deserves due process and adjudication within the law. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #17
Of course. Nor am I obliged to support Reinoehl if I perhaps agreed with his political views struggle4progress Sep 2020 #23
I'm not making any consideration of his political views. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #38
Something bad wrong with this scenario nt jaysunb Sep 2020 #20
My reaction as well nt HariSeldon Sep 2020 #21
I just wish that Michael Reinoehl had turnned himself in. But they may not have mattered because LE iluvtennis Sep 2020 #22
No court of Public Opinion if suspect is killed. The Fascist's are allowed to defend themselves in jalan48 Sep 2020 #24
LOL - He was a fugitive from justice of his own volition.... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #28
So, the choice for Anti-Fascists is turn yourself in or be secretly executed by state police? jalan48 Sep 2020 #31
What makes you think he was "secretly executed"? reACTIONary Sep 2020 #44
All he had to do was... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #26
Whether Trump ordered it or not, it was an execution. nt SunSeeker Sep 2020 #29
I thought this was going to be about Jeffrey Epstein Tanuki Sep 2020 #30
See any similarity? Hulk Sep 2020 #33
Should pointed out standingtall Sep 2020 #35
yes nt Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #39

Walleye

(31,032 posts)
1. Sadistic bastards! Did they even have any real evidence.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:10 PM
Sep 2020

Or is that no longer required. He bragged about it in an interview. That could’ve been a false confession, a boast to impress his friends. Will they even investigate the shooting now? Would they have caught him without the interview online? Have they done ballistics on it? This stinks.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
3. Even if he did confess, he claimed that it was self defense...
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:15 PM
Sep 2020

....but was never allowed to be adjudicated by the Rule of Law guaranteed us all.

He confessed.

He hid.

When discovered five days later, he tried to escape.

We don't know if he had a weapon.

We don't know how he could have been an imminent threat if he was running away.

He got in his car.

The LEO fired an alleged fifty shots at him.

He lay in the street for minutes with LEO milling around.

Then someone decided to do some CPR.

He's dead.

Barr takes a victory lap.

Walleye

(31,032 posts)
7. We've gone full Banana Republic. Extrajudicial killings, election riots.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:31 PM
Sep 2020

Joe Biden is going to have a lot of work to do to get us back to being the United States

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
11. Seriously? You're questioning whether they had evidence?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:35 PM
Sep 2020

An unsolicited on-camera admission... clear security footage and identification by family members aren’t enough?

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
13. There's a dramatic difference
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:47 PM
Sep 2020

Between recognizing a legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty in court... and questioning whether there’s any evidence after watching a video of the shooting and him admitting to it on film.

There’s no shortage of evidence.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
18. No. It looked like cold-blooded murder
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:59 PM
Sep 2020

The original video is awfully fuzzy... but the security camera images combined with the video make it crystal clear that he just walked right up and killed. Might not have been the initial instigator of the conflict... but can’t be spun as self-defense.

brush

(53,801 posts)
19. What are you going on about? All of what you're saying is still no...
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020

reason for the feds to not attempt to take him into custody.

The teenage killer was not shot on sight.

This is still the United States, with trials and juries, rule of law and all that. Cops are not judge, jury and executioners last I heard.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
27. Who said they shouldn't attempt to take him into custody?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:41 PM
Sep 2020

I merely corrected the perception that there might not be evidence that he actually killed the victim... when there are mountains of evidence.



Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
37. doesn't matter if the evidence shows self-defense or not in terms of his Constitutional rights to..
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:01 PM
Sep 2020

...due process.

He stated that it was self defense.

Let that be proven or disproven in a court of law, on the evidence.

We don't adjudicate by firing squad here in America.

Walleye

(31,032 posts)
40. Firing squad is the correct term. When the police just empty their guns into somebody like that it's
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:15 PM
Sep 2020

It’s so no one cop will have to take the blame, In my opinion

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
25. That's missing the forest for the trees I think.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:31 PM
Sep 2020

If he were fleeing, he wasnt a threat to that tactical team. He could have been arrested, and all that evidence submitted to the proper court where he would have been found guilty and sentenced.

If there was even a suggestion for a body instead of an arrest, my feeling at this point is it WILL see the light of day.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
32. We don't really have much of anything to go on there
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:54 PM
Sep 2020

We don't know whether he was a threat to them or not (though he was clearly a threat not long before). There's just the assumption by some that law enforcement must be lying.

"Every time I see a big truck... I immediately think they're out to get me"

"Felt like the beginning of a war"

"I see a civil war right around the corner. That shot felt like the beginning of a war"


Donovan Farley, the freelance journalist who conducted the interview, said that Mr. Reinoehl had expressed unease about surrendering to law enforcement and feared he would die in custody. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-shooting-michael-reinoehl.html


Frankly... I can't ignore the possibility that the guy we saw in the shooting video and the interview might not also have been willing to shoot it out with law enforcement.


Volaris

(10,273 posts)
34. I cant discount that possibility either. It would have helped greatly to
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 06:06 PM
Sep 2020

understand what was in his head if he had been interrogated.
Now we'll never know.
Convenient, that...

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
42. I would be more likely to do so if we did not have the tweet from Trump and the ..
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:18 PM
Sep 2020

...press release from Barr.

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
45. Agreed...not after the rest of all the bullshit that this summer brought
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:22 PM
Sep 2020

And especially the cops and the Admin, have been into.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
2. so the only "Jashon Spencer" on FB has no such video up.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:10 PM
Sep 2020

I'll try to find it elsewhere.

The suspect may have been truly guilty of murder of Danielson.

But rule of law and of due process and evidence does not allow a summary execution ordered by the people at the top.

Protection of liberties and rights must happen even for thugs.

RockRaven

(14,982 posts)
4. No body cams or dash cams, they opened fire on him in his vehicle, he got out and ran
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:16 PM
Sep 2020

and they continued to fire on him, approx 50 rounds, and they do not even allege that he brandished or used a weapon during that time.

That's just a description of a summary execution. Expect them to introduce a new fact pattern pretty soon.

erronis

(15,314 posts)
5. Silencing someone who might reveal links to payments from on high?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:26 PM
Sep 2020

Sounds like an M.O. of a certain crime family from Queens, NY.

By the way, how's dear Giselle doing? The one that trump wished well? Awfully quiet recently. Hope she can still breathe.

Next up, Michael Cohen.

Next?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
10. here's the theory from the wingnuts over at Conservative TReehouse.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:34 PM
Sep 2020

They think he was some kind of a foreign agent who had to be silenced.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
15. Police shooting of Michael Reinoehl
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:51 PM
Sep 2020

Updated Sep 04, 8:54 PM; Posted Sep 04, 11:00 AM

... He’s .. had several recent run-ins with police involving guns this summer.

Shortly after 2 a.m. on July 5, Portland police seized a 9mm handgun from him in downtown Portland and arrested him on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, as well as interfering with police and resisting arrest. While officers were struggling with him and trying to arrest him, the gun dropped from Reinoehl , according to police. He was cited and released, and it’s unclear if the gun was ever returned to him. Police haven’t responded to a public records request for the police report.

On July 26, Reinoehl tried to wrestle a gun away from a man who was involved in a skirmish downtown. Reinoehl was shot in the upper right arm when the man’s gun discharged during the chaotic brawl. The gun’s owner, Aaron Collins of Colton, said he ended up running from the scene and left his gun behind.

Reinoehl was also wanted on a failure to appear warrant stemming from a June 8 speed racing case in Baker County in eastern Oregon. He and his 17-year-old son were racing in two different cars at speeds of up to 111 mph heading east on Interstate 84 after midnight near North Powder, state police said. He was driving a Cadillac with his 11-year-old daughter as a passenger, police said. Inside the car, police said they found marijuana, “unidentified prescription pills” and a loaded Glock pistol for which Reinoehl didn’t have a concealed handgun license, state police said ...

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/police-shooting-of-michael-reinoehl-what-we-know-about-fatal-encounter-with-fugitive-task-force-in-washington.html

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
17. Even a multiple offender deserves due process and adjudication within the law.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:55 PM
Sep 2020

That's the American way of justice, pre Trump.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
23. Of course. Nor am I obliged to support Reinoehl if I perhaps agreed with his political views
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:04 PM
Sep 2020

And the lessons to be learned here may not be the immediate ones

Guy win Gun 2 (cop) shoots Guy 1 (black) seven times in the back. Protests follow. Guy with Gun 3 (member of organization with history of violence) crosses interstate lines with gun and bear spray to confront protestors. Guy with Gun 4 (with history of gun violations) arms self to protect protestors. Guys with Guns 3 and 4 meet; the encounter seems to have been unfriendly; and Guy with Gun 4 shoots Guy with Gun 3 twice, exploding the can of bear spray and causing fatal chest wound. Guy with Gun 4 then flees; warrant is sworn. Now more Guys with Guns (cops) track down Guy with Gun 4 and shoot at him 30 to 50 times as he flees. Guy with Guns 4 dies

Numerous appropriate questions can be asked about every chapter of this sad saga. Under what circumstances is it appropriate to shoot someone in the back seven times? Under what circumstances is it appropriate to cross interstate lines, with arms, to visit without invitation those with whom one strongly disagrees? Under what circumstances is it appropriate to repeatedly ignore gun laws? Under what circumstances is it appropriate skirmish with armed opponents? Under what circumstances is it appropriate to shoot 30 to 50 rounds at a fleeing fugitive? Is there any common denominator to the various chapters here?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
38. I'm not making any consideration of his political views.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:05 PM
Sep 2020

My interest lies solely in the possibility/probability that people of evil intent are giving orders to kill those who have not been allowed dur process, and in seeing ALL of the evidence come to light.

iluvtennis

(19,864 posts)
22. I just wish that Michael Reinoehl had turnned himself in. But they may not have mattered because LE
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:03 PM
Sep 2020

would have fabricated some "accident" in jail.

jalan48

(13,876 posts)
24. No court of Public Opinion if suspect is killed. The Fascist's are allowed to defend themselves in
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:04 PM
Sep 2020

court while this guy is gunned down in secret.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
28. LOL - He was a fugitive from justice of his own volition....
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:43 PM
Sep 2020

... if he wanted to make his case in court, he could have gotten a lawyer and made arrangements to turn himself in.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
44. What makes you think he was "secretly executed"?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 07:32 PM
Sep 2020

Let alone simply executed?

This whole thread is a BS, paranoid, low grade conspiracy theory.

I'd say it belongs in "creative speculation" except that there is nothing very creative about it.

Oh, and by the way, if you shoot and kill someone, yes, the correct course of action is to turn yourself in. Not doing so is a badge of guilt.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
26. All he had to do was...
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 05:39 PM
Sep 2020

... get a lawyer and make arrangements to turn himself in. Then he could make his case for self defense or whatever in a court of law.

Didn't do that. Wonder why?

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
33. See any similarity?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 06:04 PM
Sep 2020

Putin's thugs poison their advesaries...this fascist administration guns them down in cold blood.

Welcome to fascist amuriKKKa. This is who we are today.

standingtall

(2,786 posts)
35. Should pointed out
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 06:13 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Sat Sep 5, 2020, 06:52 PM - Edit history (1)

He specifically said he was not a member of Antifa in his interview with Vice. Antifa has no membership and is not an organization.

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