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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho in your family are "losers" and "suckers"?
I come from a long line of "losers" and "suckers"... my grandfather, my uncle, my father, my nephew, my niece, a cousin, and my husband. (All except for my niece served during wartime... all came home safe.)
Fuck Trump! I didn't think I could hate him any more than I already did. (I was wrong.)
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)7 great-uncles
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)when I was 7 years old I consider him a hero not a loser even tho I wholeheartedly disagreed with the Vietnam War so fuck trump AND his enablers
Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)Before that in every generation of my family both sides...my family served. My brother and sister were both Marines. and my two nephews are Navy and my niece is Air force. Trump is a scumbag and the biggest loser of all time.
dem4decades
(11,300 posts)and a "loser" while Trump was crippled by his bone spurs.
RIP Lance Corporal T Richards
And fuck you Donald Trump.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)World War II and the Korean War. Finished WWII as a Captain, was a Sergeant when he was done in Korea. He didn't talk about it, but I'd like to think it was because he punched some dumbass superior officer.
Bronze Star, Silver Star, Purple Heart. I read his Silver Star citation. He was a lieutenant at that time, in command of a group of soldiers (Platoon? Squad? I don't know the lingo) who were pinned down at the bottom of a hill while a German machine gun emplacement rained down hell from above. According to the citation, Dad ran up the hill crouching below the machine gun fire, tossed a grenade in through the front gun portal, then ran around the back and shot the gunners as they fled from the grenade.
A real sucker AND a loser, who saved the lives of his men.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He became jaded about Vietnam. He was so proud as South Korea worked its way to a democracy. Felt he had played a role. Wish he could see them now but would not want him to see the US now.
When I was about to graduate high school I had Scholarship offers but was considering the armed forces.
His advice...dont do it. If our country gets into a position where we had to fight because we were attacked, like WWII, I would have a duty and he would expect me to sign up and fight. Otherwise I would just be used by politicians for pointless wars. He was a wise man.
bottomofthehill
(8,338 posts)Three uncles
Five cousins
One nephew so far.
misanthrope
(7,419 posts)was filled with veterans of every branch who won WWII. They all survived but one great uncle returned from Iwo Jima with shrapnel in his leg. Even the women who didn't serve did their part in the war effort, working defense industry factories and the like. They were all proud to serve.
My mother's brothers were in the Navy and Army. One of my oldest friends went to Desert Storm in USMC Force Recon. My best man's father was a career man in the Air Force, one of the few places a man of color from Alabama could get a fair shake in those days. My brother-in-law filled out a career in the Army. My cousin was in the Navy.
The only "suckers" I have in that regard are the ones who served in the Confederate forces during the Civil War. They tried to give their lives for a system that wanted to keep them oppressed as much as it wanted to keep slavery.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)We only have a name and burial place, but no photos and no detailed family history.
misanthrope
(7,419 posts)in a graveyard behind a Primitive Baptist church in lower Alabama. The stones listed their CSA service.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Ive seen their graves in Alabama.
In the same cemetery are the graves of my, and their 2 ancestors who are revolutionary war soldiers. Father and son. Id have to get out a book to remember how many greats to add.
sakabatou
(42,165 posts)He's the only one who served, AFAIK.
Siwsan
(26,286 posts)Some during times of peace, some during times of war. Five during WWII. Uncle Ray fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Uncle John in the Pacific. He was on two ships that were hit. One by a torpedo and one by a Kamikaze. He saw his best friend quite literally explode.
No casualties in the last 4 generations. My family military history goes back to the founding of the nation.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Served in every war including with Jackson in the war of 1812 and the Mexican war.
Unfortunately too many fought for the confederate abomination.
But oddly, my grandparents came of age between the 2 World Wars. Too young for the first. Too old for the second. Had a few of my uncles who were younger serve in the Second World War. One on a carrier plane in the pacific. His torpedo squadron helped sink the Yamamoto. On saw some some shit in Europe and never was right after that. Got lost in the bottle till he married a strong woman who put a stop to that. But always seemed haunted. War can really fuck up even those without a scratch.
Dad fought in Korea, but after Vietnam, which really bothered him, in the early 80s he advised against my joining unless the nation was threatened.
EndlessWire
(6,550 posts)for generations.
My oldest brother won a Silver Star in Viet Nam for saving his company. He wanted to weld it to the back of a Harley when he returned home.
War ruins lives. I know it ruined my brother's. You do not come home the same. War ruined my other brother's life, too.
We'll do what we have to do. Having a twerp like tRump call them losers is appalling. Plan A is to vote the GOP out of office.
Keep your eyes on the prize. None of us can have anything if we don't kick them to the curb.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)grandfather, and a whole lot of others going all the way back to my 5G-grandfather who fought in Lord Dunmore's War in 1774, one of the first battles considered to be a part of the Revolution. He was honored with a stone placed by the Sons of the American Revolution this past October in Surgoinsville, TN. We flew out from Seattle for the ceremony.
I guess that our family is just a huge bunch of losers and suckers going back many generations.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)My GGG and GG Grandfathers (father and son) both enlisted in a Minnesota infantry regiment at the beginning of the Civil War. The father was wounded at Vicksburg, but the son served to the end of the war.
One of my grandfather's brothers was in an artillery unit in France during WWI, and lost part of his lung capacity from a gas shelling.
My wife's grandfather was a conscientious objector during WWI. Refused to carry a weapon, and was jailed for it. Ended up in an infantry division in France, where he spent his days (nights, actually) unarmed, helping recover the wounded from no man's land.
My dad was in the Korean War, and one of my favorite uncles has struggled with PTSD from his time as a Marine in Vietnam.
My service was during the Cold War, in one of the Cav units that helped patrol/secure the old Iron Curtain.
None of us are, or were, losers or suckers.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(And that's all I'll speculate about that, for obvious reasons.)
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)And I will join you in eschewing any further speculation about that.
Maeve
(42,287 posts)Great-grandfather(Union army), hubby's grandfather and a great-uncle, two of my uncles, several cousins. That's just off the top of my head without going to the family history (at least one ancestor fought in the Revolution; family has been here since 1750)
Squinch
(50,987 posts)BlueDawn
(892 posts)....to think of my father, a Marine, dying at the age of 24, when I was a toddler of 27 months and my brother a baby of 9 months of age.
We never got to know him. All we have are photos, his "letter sweater" from high school, his high school albums, and the flag that was draped over his casket at his funeral.
He was an only child.
I loathe you, Donald Trump.
BlueDawn
(892 posts)You are so kind, Nurse Jackie.
You just made my day. I send you a hug through the airwaves.....
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)BlueDawn
(892 posts)....thank you, GulfCoast66.
Your post touched me.
mentalsolstice
(4,461 posts)My husband and my uncle in Vietnam. My husband enlisted in the USAF in 1964. My uncle was a graduate of the USNA, but he chose to be commissioned in the USAF. My dad served in the NG between Korea and Vietnam, however, was never called up.
I guess they were all fools and losers.
pansypoo53219
(20,986 posts)i guess uncle almost a nam loser. bigger loser cause he enlisted + got a safer spot.
lastlib
(23,263 posts)(Mom's BIL) saved the lives of several soldiers (I don't know details), earned a Bronze Star, Purple Heart and some other honors.
Dad's brother fought in the invasion of Italy and invaded Germany later in the war. I never really got his story.
One of Mom's brothers was in the Coast Guard, another was in the Navy, I think both served in the Atlantic.
Dad's father went to England in WW I, was about to go to France for combat duty, but caught pneumonia and was discharged/sent home. His uncle saw action in France, came home with severe PTSD, and was never able to really function as an adult. Dad's half-brother served an infantry tour in Nam and earned a Purple Heart--had part of a finger cut off while loading a howitzer in a battle, I think.
mommymarine2003
(261 posts)My father made a career out of being a loser and sucker for the Marine Corps serving in WWII as a fighter pilot in the South Pacific, in the Korean War, and in Vietnam. I also have a loser son who was a Marine and did two deployments to Iraq with the First Marine Division out of Camp Pendleton. I have grandfathers going back to the Revolutionary War and even earlier. Through Ancestry.com I found a grandfather who died in the King Philip's War in the early history of our nation.
My husband also comes from a long line of losers. His father was career Air Force and his grandfather fought in WWI. He also had grandfathers who fought in the Civil War, Revolutionary War, and the King Philip's War. His 8th grandfather ran the Armory in Williamsburg.
I'm proud to be such a big Loser.
beveeheart
(1,369 posts)several from Queen Anne's County, MD in War of 1812, both Union and Confederates in Civil War. More recently, my father -Navy, WWII, my uncle - Navy, Korea, my cousins - Army, my daughter - Air Force.
denbot
(9,901 posts)2 uncles 2 cousins (P/M) Vietnam, Me Persian Gulf, Cousin (M) Gulf War II Iraq.
That makes at least ten losers and/or suckers by my off hand account.
On Edit
Adding two more for my Maternal Grandfathers brother also served in WWII, and my Great Great Grandfather was an Army Apache fighter that later married into our family/tribe, and I wont count my native ancestors who will stretch this out considerably.
TlalocW
(15,388 posts)And joined the navy. He was discharged without serving a full term because WWII ended soooo... he got drafted into the army for Korea. Did not make my mom happy.
TlalocW
meow2u3
(24,766 posts)My dad served in WWII in the mess hall of a POW camp AFAIK. He actually fed German POWs. He couldn't go into battle because of his hardness of hearing and need for glasses.
My maternal uncle, in WWII, was taken POW by the Nazis and then executed--exactly what Trump gets off on, that monster!
My Italian-born grandpa served in WWI and then became a US citizen.
Dad, Uncle Peter, and Grandpa, thank you. Trump, screw you!
trackfan
(3,650 posts)My dad never talked much about his experience. He was born in 1922, nineteen years old when Pearl Harbor happened. He must have waited it out until he was drafted, because he wasn't in until 1943. He was in various places stateside - Norfolk, VA, where he and my mom got married, my dad's father and sister bringing her from Chicago; St. Louis, MO, where they spent a happy first year of marriage; and Norman, OK. I suspect he must have been in the group of men being readied for an invasion of Japan. However, the war ended, and he did a tour of Japan and China on the U.S.S. Antietam, an aircraft carrier.
My brother, to my parents horror, signed up for the Marines just when Vietnam was really heating up. A local businessman, for whom my brother had driven a food truck, was on the draft board, I think, and was able to "pull some strings" and get him into the Navy.
He did three tours in the Gulf of Tonkin on the ammunition ship U.S.S. Rainier.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)My mom joined but she didn't make it past AIT. My dad joined after Vietnam ended. He was stationed in Europe.
Wounded Bear
(58,679 posts)My father's service back in the 30's was never really verified.
Golden Raisin
(4,611 posts)Army Airforce Band. His younger brother served in the Pacific Theater of WWII and then as a career Army Officer, based in Germany during the Cold War period.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)My brothers..both losers
My FIL... another loser. He's even marched in a few loser parades on Veteran's day.
Too many cousins and uncles to count
FUCK tRUMP
July
(4,750 posts)all 5 of my mothers brothers (WWII). Several (4 or 5) cousins, Navy, Vietnam era.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Other that my Grandfather who was drafted into WW2 and never saw direct combat - he was a good person. A Republican but a good person.
My other Vietnam era immediate family relatives were not "losers" but jesus they are assholes (just really crummy people). None of them saw direct combat. NOT ONE DID. All USAF domestic stationed posers. Massive assholes. And they swing from Left to Right. Still all assholes. All took advantage of their 2 year stints in the mid-west to get college degrees. One isn't a 100% asshole but a gun nut and Trumper.
I do not worship the military, almost signed up in 1995 (had lost all hope in a good job and graduated in 1991 which was a recession) and had a BA so would have gone in as a 2nd Lieutenant, but ended up not doing it. Dodged a proverbial "bullet" because I would have probably been aiming for 20 years so would have been in the Bush wars. Tammy Duckworths is the same age that I am.
But calling people that were drafted or enlisted losers or suckers is abhorrent to me. I think losing the draft has really removed service from the almost universal quality and experience that existed in WW1 and WW2 Korea and Vietnam though.
But Trump does sucks even worse when he demeans people that for whatever reason enlisted since Vietnam.
While I would have done it because I needed to better define my life others do it out of a sense of patriotism like Tillman (who flipped on that) or to get ahead in life and get a degree or career. The reasons to enlist are varied and personal.
Much of the time now it functions as an economic draft with a good percentage enlisting due to a lack of options. I know many people that I have worked with (who I like) that enlisted because that was their best option to avoid a low wage career.
Trump hates non rich people, middle class people, poor people, period. His dismissal and demeaning of soldiers now as losers just emphasizes what a shit head loser he really is.
But I do not worship the American War Machine.
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)Brother-in-law, cousin...
My dad didn't talk about his time in the Army. It was right after WWII. My grandfather was in sometime around WWI. My brother-in-law served during Vietnam. My husband served during Desert Storm and Desert Shield.
They don't talk about it. I have a feeling it was not a great experience.
Suckers? No.
Losers? No.
Patriots. Yes.
This is a reminder to me to be more respectful of the men in my family who have served, and to consider that their views may come from experiences that I can't even begin to relate to.
peggysue2
(10,836 posts)My uncle and his son, my husband, my father-in-law and his father. Probably more but I guess that's enough suckers and losers to claim.
Trump really stepped in it this time!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Takket
(21,600 posts)he came ashore in Normandy after the initial invasion. His group set up camp behind the front lines and repaired any faulty weapons that came back.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,628 posts)Father and both grandfathers (one was a German soldier, NOT a Nazi) served in the Army. The Donald would've considered both of my grandfathers losers. The American born one a because he was injured and had to be sent home. He earned a Purple Heart. The German born one was captured and survived a Soviet gulag. Him and his family emigrated here in the early fifties. Five Uncles and one cousin served in the navy. The sixth uncle and a cousin were Marines. My husband served in the Air Force for six years in the 80's. I know I have at least one ancestor who was a Union soldier. It's very hard to find a family that hasn't had at least one person serve in the military. He's really screwed the pooch on this one.
He can go fuck himself.
Poiuyt
(18,129 posts)He flew 72 missions in a B-25 during WWII and received a Distinguished Flying Cross for extraordinary achievement during one of his missions. Obviously, a loser.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)Suffered numerous paper cuts and hangovers.
Salute to those who fought.
DFW
(54,420 posts)Grandfather served in France in World War 1. Dad in France and Germany in World War II. Wife's dad got a leg blown off at Stalingrad in 1942 (he was one of Göring's "poor slobs on a farm who only wanted to come in one piece," and didn't). The father of one of our best friends was in the Navy in World War II, ended up as Secretary of the Navy, and was despised by Nixon for letting women and minorities become officers. Another "loser" friend of mine was in the navy, became an astronaut, and is now about to take away a Senate seat from the Republicans in Arizona.
So many losers, so little time..................