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If Mary Trump provided DNA... (Original Post) Beaverhausen Sep 2020 OP
Such a GREAT QUESTION!! n/t FeelingBlue Sep 2020 #1
Of course, but... JoeOtterbein Sep 2020 #2
It would be pretty substantial evidence if there's a match. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #3
I think so because cold cases where semen was collected are now being solved by matching ARPad95 Sep 2020 #4
All the time that's how cold cases are solved via relatives dna Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #8
These are decades old cold cases where the suspect is unknown and therefore how would they know ARPad95 Sep 2020 #10
They don't need to know who to check. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #14
If you have a relative in the system or in prison, the sample on the victim could ping as a close.. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2020 #22
If her mother was from Trump's side of the family, they would have the same mitochondrial DNA. RDANGELO Sep 2020 #5
It would be autosomal DNA being matched. That's all 22 pairs of the non-sex chromosomes. ARPad95 Sep 2020 #6
Yep, that too! Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #9
Her father was Trump's brother Fred. nt tblue37 Sep 2020 #15
You're right! Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #17
With mitochondrial DNA, a common female link could be determined...Trump's mother and Mary's Karadeniz Sep 2020 #7
The connection is through Mary's father, Trump's brother Fred. nt tblue37 Sep 2020 #16
Mary would have the mitochondria of Fred's wife Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #18
Maybe Mary can provide some from Aunt Maryanne. tanyev Sep 2020 #27
Fantastic question canetoad Sep 2020 #11
send that suggestion to Jean. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #12
In a criminal case it would be enough to get a court order for a suspects DNA. Nevilledog Sep 2020 #13
It would be interesting if somebody working wnylib Sep 2020 #21
Yes, it should contain similar markers. The mitochondrial DNA should be nearly identical... NNadir Sep 2020 #19
No, Mary Trump would not have the same mitochondrial DNA as Donald. Crunchy Frog Sep 2020 #24
You're right. I forgot that she is descended from his brother, not his sister. NNadir Sep 2020 #25
might be speaknow Sep 2020 #20
They used Prince Phillips MFM008 Sep 2020 #23
Sounds good. pwb Sep 2020 #26

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
2. Of course, but...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:08 AM
Sep 2020

...proving it in court would be difficult. B/c ya know; a four letter word starting with a c and ending with a h.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
3. It would be pretty substantial evidence if there's a match.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:11 AM
Sep 2020

They should share about 25% of their DNA.

Investigators have previously uploaded DNA data from a crime into online DNA-matching sites like GEDmatch, and then contacted the matching relative to eventually locate the suspect!

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
4. I think so because cold cases where semen was collected are now being solved by matching
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:11 AM
Sep 2020

the DNA from the semen to people who have tested at one of the DNA testing sites (23andMe, FamilyTreeDNA, Ancestry.com) and uploaded their results to a free database called GEDMatch.com. Here's the company and the genetic genealogist who are at the forefront of this method of solving cold cases:

https://parabon-nanolabs.com/

https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/culture-features/2020/06/16/meet-cece-moore-the-woman-partnering-with-novas-parabon-nanolabs-to-solve-cold-cases/

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
10. These are decades old cold cases where the suspect is unknown and therefore how would they know
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:21 AM
Sep 2020

any relatives to test?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
14. They don't need to know who to check.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:15 AM
Sep 2020

Lots of people have already been DNA-tested and even uploaded those results to other sites (like me).

If one of my grandfathers committed a crime and left behind his DNA, I would still show up as about a 25% match. After narrowing it down to me and my family, investigators would then proceed to gather more evidence.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,333 posts)
22. If you have a relative in the system or in prison, the sample on the victim could ping as a close..
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 03:24 AM
Sep 2020

...match to the person on file. This narrows down the possible suspects to your family.

Next they have to get samples from other family members - by hook or by crook. Cops have even followed a close match family member to retrieve a discarded soft drink cup for testing/confirmation.

The way they caught Golden State Killer was even more amazing. They basically built a family tree starting with what could be called third cousins of the killer. From there they built a family tree of those “third cousins” using birth records, death records, newspaper announcements etc. traveling up to the root of the tree.

They then Built family tree back down spreading it out again based on records/notices. From there they had, iirrc, a couple hundred possible suspects. They eliminated a bunch based on police work (lived in different part of the country, doesn’t fit the description, etc). From there they collected samples by hook or by crook.

Fascinating story:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/golden-state-killer-east-area-rapist-dna-genealogy/559070/

How a Genealogy Website Led to the Alleged Golden State Killer
Powerful tools are now available to anyone who wants to look for a DNA match, which has troubling privacy implications.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
9. Yep, that too!
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:15 AM
Sep 2020

That with an autosomal DNA match would clinch it!

Edit: Or at least be so substantial that Donnie's DNA could be demanded, at some point.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
17. You're right!
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:42 AM
Sep 2020

Good grief, I somehow got the idea that the judge (Donnie's sister) was her mother... but she's the aunt.

Karadeniz

(22,546 posts)
7. With mitochondrial DNA, a common female link could be determined...Trump's mother and Mary's
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:14 AM
Sep 2020

Grandmother would show up identical to the mitochondrial in the sperm stain. Mary's father can be eliminated because he was dead at the time of the rape. Trump's brother, Robert, could be the rapist. I don't know who the MIT uncle's mother was.

Nevilledog

(51,163 posts)
13. In a criminal case it would be enough to get a court order for a suspects DNA.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 01:09 AM
Sep 2020

I doubt, however, that a familial DNA comparison would be admissible, even in a civil case, when it is essentially the only physical proof of sexual contact.

I did not have a civil practice, so my understanding might be off base.

Also, don't forget that the court has already issued an order for trump to provide a DNA sample.

wnylib

(21,555 posts)
21. It would be interesting if somebody working
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 02:57 AM
Sep 2020

in the White House or at Mar a Lago managed to sneak a glass or other object with his DNA to the DA or the complainant's attorney but it might not hold up in court due to chain of evidence objections.

NNadir

(33,538 posts)
19. Yes, it should contain similar markers. The mitochondrial DNA should be nearly identical...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 02:15 AM
Sep 2020

...barring any mutations.

However, Trump may a mutant or the spawn of Satan. He certainly lacks many features of humanity.

Crunchy Frog

(26,601 posts)
24. No, Mary Trump would not have the same mitochondrial DNA as Donald.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 06:37 AM
Sep 2020

It could only be the same if they had the same mother, or if Mary was the child of Donald's sister. Since her mother is from outside the family, the mtDNA will not match.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
23. They used Prince Phillips
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 06:14 AM
Sep 2020

DNA to establish the link to the Russian royal family.
Alexandra was a granddaughter of Victoria and Phillips mother was the great granddaughter of Victoria.....
So why not.

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