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Whats the Matter with Kentucky?.......... (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2020 OP
There was never a chance Turtleman was going down. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2020 #1
But he'll no longer have a seat at the head of the grownups table. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #5
Mitch i not like so much ... ace3csusm Sep 2020 #28
Conservative Evangelicals? TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #2
The dumbest people in America. JanMichael Sep 2020 #8
#2 Socialism sucking state. They live off other people's efforts and Mitch brings in the freebies. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #3
I read an article a while ago that Mitch does bring in Federal money and projects. riversedge Sep 2020 #6
It burns me that these people are anti-socialism, yet are the biggest takers of it. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #10
Hypocritical ingrates. nt. Mariana Sep 2020 #32
They insist on voting for the elimination of Social Security, Medicare and the ACA. Lock him up. Sep 2020 #20
This is the title of another post I made just an hour ago. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #21
Yup. Cut KY down to what it sends to DC. Not a penny more. roamer65 Sep 2020 #23
Well, as they have limited industry, perhaps a jobs program to make them self-sufficient first. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #26
The state of KY can fund it with new taxes. roamer65 Sep 2020 #37
R states are run like shit, so they do need a kickstart to build a tax base. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #38
Mostly rural and little diversity Wanderlust988 Sep 2020 #4
The prolonged reaction to electing a black president Norbert Sep 2020 #7
Get outside of Louisville and the rest of the state is a century behind Roland99 Sep 2020 #9
There's Lexington too. Nexus2 Sep 2020 #13
maybe it's my long-term hatred of UK and Lexington in general Roland99 Sep 2020 #15
Too many white voters who identify... Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #11
I think Charles Booker was the better candidate Proud liberal 80 Sep 2020 #12
Yes Booker was infinitely better Wanderlust988 Sep 2020 #18
Too many conservatives, not enough urban votes or college educated Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #14
And it used to be SC came in next to last in moonscape Sep 2020 #40
In defense of my home state, we do at least elect Dems statewide Wanderlust988 Sep 2020 #16
And your state is drop-dead gorgeous! moonscape Sep 2020 #39
Sad to see this, Amy would make a great senator! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #17
What's NOT wrong with Kentucky? Eyeball_Kid Sep 2020 #19
To much meth and moonshine. redstatebluegirl Sep 2020 #22
Too much religion. Mariana Sep 2020 #30
too much bdamomma Sep 2020 #41
McGrath is following the Allison Lundergan Grimes 2014 playbook down to near certain defeat nt liskddksil Sep 2020 #24
Proud of surviving adversity. Frontiersmen. cachukis Sep 2020 #25
LOL Yeehah Sep 2020 #29
There is that, too. But they're probably going to miss it. cachukis Sep 2020 #35
The red menace is STRONG in Kentucky. Initech Sep 2020 #27
Low rates of education, heavy influence of conservative churches (not limited to evangelical), JohnnyLib2 Sep 2020 #31
What's the matter with any red state? Rizen Sep 2020 #33
A lot of racist, uneducated poor white people in the state only support Republicans who do nothing. LonePirate Sep 2020 #34
uneducated people bdamomma Sep 2020 #42
Haven't there been much closer KY polls?? nt LAS14 Sep 2020 #36
Maybe the Russian oligarch who proposed building an aluminum plant oasis Sep 2020 #43

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
28. Mitch i not like so much ...
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:57 PM
Sep 2020

I really dislike that man which he would just go away for the better of the country ... But they get what you vote for hopefully if we retake the senate we can stop alot of the bacon he takes home...

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
8. The dumbest people in America.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:14 PM
Sep 2020

All that they care about are some cells in someone else's body. That's it. Save the babies so we can abuse them as children and teens.

That and most (at least 70% to 30%) of the white people there are flat out racist (read - KKK is OK) assholes.

Don't get me wrong there are other very similar states. This thread is Kentucky fried.

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
3. #2 Socialism sucking state. They live off other people's efforts and Mitch brings in the freebies.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:10 PM
Sep 2020

.

I live in NJ, the second largest donor state. I have no problem helping other states.

What I have a problem with is those recipient states fucking us in the ass by electing people like McConnell.

We help them out and they jam us when Hurricane Sandy hit us and we needed help -- some of our money back!

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Lock him up.

(6,937 posts)
20. They insist on voting for the elimination of Social Security, Medicare and the ACA.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:37 PM
Sep 2020
THIS time.

Someone should ask them what they'll eat when the checks stop coming in their mailbox (or bank acc.).

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
21. This is the title of another post I made just an hour ago.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:40 PM
Sep 2020

.

Gotta go after MM & wife for lining their own pockets, killing USPS, SS and ACA--effing Kentuckians

.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. Yup. Cut KY down to what it sends to DC. Not a penny more.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:42 PM
Sep 2020

It will force them to raise their state taxes as it should be.

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
26. Well, as they have limited industry, perhaps a jobs program to make them self-sufficient first.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:51 PM
Sep 2020

.

RWers always profess self-sufficiency and pulling one up by their bootstraps--but they need finding and guidance to get their infrastructure and logistics in place to perform this function. They need college and VoTech training to give people new skills for the 21st Century.

.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
4. Mostly rural and little diversity
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:11 PM
Sep 2020

Louisville and Lexington are really the only blue spots in the state and it's not enough to overcome the rest of the state. Democrats do win here though in state level races, but it's tough in federal races.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
15. maybe it's my long-term hatred of UK and Lexington in general
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:31 PM
Sep 2020

but I don't think Fayette is as liberal as Jefferson

I could be totally wrong.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
11. Too many white voters who identify...
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:16 PM
Sep 2020

... with their "Ingroup" of other white people, with evangelicals being among the worst about it.

Ingroup Favoritism and Prejudice
https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/chapter/ingroup-favoritism-and-prejudice/

It's a human trait believed to go back to people being cautious around other tribes, hence probably beneficial for survival and passing that trait to their offspring.

It's usually most extreme among people who seek simplistic answers, though, and that pretty much describes Republican voters too.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
12. I think Charles Booker was the better candidate
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:23 PM
Sep 2020

McGrath is the same type of person who we Democrats run against Mitch thinking that she can win voters who have no intention on voting for democrats....Booker would have brought in newer voters who otherwise wouldn’t vote and was a more exciting candidate.....probably would have still loss, but we have to stop playing it safe sometimes

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
14. Too many conservatives, not enough urban votes or college educated
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:27 PM
Sep 2020

This recent Pew link really helped me understand the difference in certain states, especially in combination with the ideological percentages. Check the table near the bottom and specifically the three columns at far right:

https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/08/18/a-resource-for-state-preelection-polling/

Those are the educational numbers from 2016. Education previously didn't mean as much but now there is a separation between working class voting Republican and voters with some college and especially with degrees voting Democratic.

The national average in 2016 electorate was 30% no college and 40% college graduates. Now, that 40% figure has been disputed by other sources which prefer 37% range. Regardless, the comparison is one state to another, and to that national number.

Kentucky and South Carolina may be viewed similarly from afar. They are not similar. That is why Harrison is faring much better than McGrath. Frankly, McGrath has been severely overfunded. That was wasted millions, as pointed out here a month or so ago.

Kentucky 2016:

36% no college
31% college graduates

South Carolina 2016:

34% no college
35% college graduates

Those may seem like minor differences...to the same types who don't want to believe that 37% to 40% conservatives in a given state is all the difference in the world.

Check state by state and you'll see that swing states have somewhat similar numbers to South Carolina, but slightly better. Pennsylvania is actually very close to South Carolina at 35% no college 36% college graduates. The only so-called swing state with numbers resembling Kentucky is Ohio at 37% no college and 34% college graduate. It is one of the reasons I am not a believer in Ohio, to lesser extent in 2020 but especially going forward. The foundational numbers simply are not there.

Louisville is not growing fast enough to make up for rural numbers elsewhere. Lots of these red states need another huge city somewhere. That's why Texas has potential, with so many large and rapidly growing cities, plus a huge untapped Hispanic population. Texas education numbers are already good at 27% no college and 41% college graduates.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
40. And it used to be SC came in next to last in
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:21 PM
Sep 2020

education-wise, right behind Mississippi. This was in the 60's. Maybe Kentucky helped SC move up a rung

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
16. In defense of my home state, we do at least elect Dems statewide
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:32 PM
Sep 2020

That's more than I can say for a whole lot of states, including Florida. We do have a progressive Democratic governor in office. Also, Kentucky was the last state in the south that still had a Democratic controlled legislature before we lost it a couple of cycles ago.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
39. And your state is drop-dead gorgeous!
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 PM
Sep 2020

I grew up in Western NC and have an affinity for the mountains. WV is awesomely beautiful!

Eyeball_Kid

(7,433 posts)
19. What's NOT wrong with Kentucky?
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:34 PM
Sep 2020

Too much moonshine?

Contaminated water from coal waste?

An amazing education system?

You choose.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
30. Too much religion.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sep 2020

There are lots of Evangelical Christians in Kentucky, and Evangelical Christians overwhelmingly vote Republican.

bdamomma

(63,913 posts)
41. too much
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:26 PM
Sep 2020

religion makes people stupid.

Infuriating what are Kentuckians getting from McConnell, have their lives been good for 14 years that this POS man has been in the Senate???

cachukis

(2,248 posts)
25. Proud of surviving adversity. Frontiersmen.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:47 PM
Sep 2020

Have a good friend from northwest Tennessee, Paris, who goes to Paducah regularly. She explained that when you are in survival mode, you are proud of yourselves for using every tool available to keep going. They don't care to understand the mechanics; it is survival. Finding a pocket book to help with a new solution is beyond many. Not just Kentucky, but a glaring example. Of course there are other factors, but I was struck with the accuracy of her points.

Initech

(100,090 posts)
27. The red menace is STRONG in Kentucky.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:51 PM
Sep 2020

And yes I've been there in the last couple of years, they are mostly in on the Trump train there.

JohnnyLib2

(11,212 posts)
31. Low rates of education, heavy influence of conservative churches (not limited to evangelical),
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sep 2020

poverty, racism, lack of wifi access, Mitch coming to town with big federal funds ...

Speaking as a Kentucky Democrat, I'll confess to some hopelessness about "ditching Mitch," too. But we keep trying...

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)
34. A lot of racist, uneducated poor white people in the state only support Republicans who do nothing.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 05:20 PM
Sep 2020

It’s the racism that keeps them tied to the GOP.

bdamomma

(63,913 posts)
42. uneducated people
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:29 PM
Sep 2020

is the GOP dream. The uneducated are easy to manipulate.

McConnell needs to go so badly.

oasis

(49,395 posts)
43. Maybe the Russian oligarch who proposed building an aluminum plant
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:41 PM
Sep 2020

there convinced idiots that McConnell was going to bring even more jobs to the state.

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