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Who has Woodward's book? What's on pages 116 and 117? (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2020 OP
That's Chapter Sixteen Laelth Sep 2020 #1
Hmmmm Nevilledog Sep 2020 #3
Key quote: Laelth Sep 2020 #6
I think Winslow thinks this is going to be used this election. Nevilledog Sep 2020 #7
Yup. That would make sense. Laelth Sep 2020 #10
Yes. And I'm sure he's right! hamsterjill Sep 2020 #12
The thing that is worrisome about that chapter is Woodward never Mike 03 Sep 2020 #16
Nope. Woodward doesn't know, and he doesn't say. Laelth Sep 2020 #17
I might buy it if he is talking about voter registration software. Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #19
They have already done a lot of stuff that we, very confidently, said was impossible. not_the_one Sep 2020 #20
What they have demonstrated in realistic settings Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #21
The problem is the modems. crickets Sep 2020 #22
I h ave enough direct experience to know what I'm talking about. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #23
Alrighty then. crickets Sep 2020 #24
It is about Russian interference, including malware in Florida voting systems. madaboutharry Sep 2020 #2
Maybe Winslow is trying to say they are letting it be deployed. Nevilledog Sep 2020 #5
I have it on Audible lol. cwydro Sep 2020 #4
Well, you're no help! Nevilledog Sep 2020 #8
I know lol! cwydro Sep 2020 #13
Here they are: Qutzupalotl Sep 2020 #9
Aren't you the overachiever? Perfect! Nevilledog Sep 2020 #11
lol LizBeth Sep 2020 #15
Thanks! cwydro Sep 2020 #14
kicking for truth. Pathwalker Sep 2020 #18

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. That's Chapter Sixteen
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 12:36 PM
Sep 2020

I sub-titled it “Coats & Trump Relationship Souring.”

I have a lot of stuff underlined on those two pages. I am not sure which parts Winslow thinks are so important. That part mainly deals with Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump wanted to actually release proof of Russian malware in Florida computer systems, and he authorized Coats to do so.

Personally, I thought this was evidence of one of Trump’s BETTER executive decisions.



-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Key quote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 12:48 PM
Sep 2020

“The Russian malware was sophisticated and could be activated in counties with particular demographics. For instance, in areas with higher percentages of Black residents, the malware could erase every tenth voter, almost certainly reducing the total vote count for Democrats. The same could potentially be activated to reduce Trump votes in Republican districts.”

-Bob Woodward, Rage, p. 117

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. Yup. That would make sense.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
Sep 2020

It would give Russia a +10%/-10% say in our election if this malware isn’t ferreted out.

This is probably why Trump insists on talking to Putin so regularly. He wants to insure that the Russian 10% goes his way.

-Laelth

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
12. Yes. And I'm sure he's right!
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
Sep 2020

They’re going to cheat any way they can. They are more emboldened now since they got away with it in 2016.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
16. The thing that is worrisome about that chapter is Woodward never
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 01:24 PM
Sep 2020

tells us if that malware was ever removed or not. I mean, presumably, you can remove malware, right? Or, no?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
17. Nope. Woodward doesn't know, and he doesn't say.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 01:36 PM
Sep 2020

Yes, presumably Florida could remote it, if they wanted to, but why would they if they have Putin’s assurance that he will use the malware to help Republicans?

-Laelth

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
19. I might buy it if he is talking about voter registration software.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:45 PM
Sep 2020

The only documented interference has to do with voter registration, not voting, software.

It would have the effect of removing 10% of voters (not votes) in a specific county. There are some checks and balances, but overcoming this particular hack requires the voter to show up and attempt to vote, be given a provisional ballot, and then following up to correct the removal from the voter registration rolls. Once people vote provisionally, they tend to ignore the last step - so their vites aren't counted (if the issue is one of registratio.) The hack itself, would require detective work - someone noticing the pattern of removed voters, tracing it to the counties that "removed" them, comparing reasons for removal and noticing there are none. Since not all voters vote every election, only a fraction of those who were removed will attemp to vote - making the cause of the trouble even harder to trace.

In contrast, removing votes is much more immediately obvious. There are multiple checks on number of voters (everyone checks in on one app (which counts them), they shift to a second app for voting (which also counts them) and, in places where they use paper ballots there are numbered ballot stubs). Cross-checking the two electronic and one physical count for ballots cast is part of the reconciling that (generally) is done by pollworkers at the end of the day before election materials are returned to the board of elections - and counted again at the board of elections and, I believe, an additional time before certificaiton. Removing votes (as opposed to voters) would be caught instantly.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
20. They have already done a lot of stuff that we, very confidently, said was impossible.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:55 PM
Sep 2020

Discovering that they WERE able to do it, after the fact, is the way WE roll.



Our computer experts are apparently sitting around with the thumbs up their asses. (Yeah, yeah, we don't know what they are doing... You'd think WE could match whatever chess game they are playing. Apparently not.)

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
21. What they have demonstrated in realistic settings
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:09 PM
Sep 2020

or by actually documenting it all has to do with voter registration, not votes.

And the unrealistic hacks that have been demonstrated shift votes, not delete them (becuase deleting them is too obvious).

None of the hacks I've seen demonstrated (and, as far as I'm aware I've reviewed all that have come to national attention) use realistic election settings. All involve having unfettered access to the machines and freedom to do things that election workers or observers would immediately report as suspicious.

Even if it is possible to hack electronic equipment (and it generally is), it isn't happening if the only means of carrying out the hack will be visible to anyone observing the hack (like, for example, opening the machine up, turnint it over, inserting something other than the voter card, inserting voter cards multiple times, etc.) it isn't happening.

crickets

(25,983 posts)
22. The problem is the modems.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:34 PM
Sep 2020
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-voting-machines-off-internet-20200821-h2jr5jv4pvcpjitwjd4xn6zf7a-story.html

The conventional wisdom is that voting machines aren’t connected online. For years, federal and state elections officials have offered reassurances that this is the case. Yet, recent investigations show a more complicated reality. A team of 10 leading independent cybersecurity experts recently found dozens of jurisdictions with at least some voting systems connected to the Internet.

While voting machines themselves are not supposed to be online, the broader systems for scanning and recording ballots often end up connected and vulnerable.
That’s why a dozen organizations representing different sides of the political spectrum wrote to the governor and the secretary of state to remove all Internet connections from the tabulation systems.

The nation’s three largest voting machine manufacturing vendors — Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Dominion Voting Systems, and Hart InterCivic — have all publicly acknowledged that they place modems in some of their vote tabulators and scanners. They claim that this is at the request of election administrators, including in Florida, who want to be able to get unofficial results to the public as quickly as possible on election night.

But here’s what this means in effect: prioritizing speed and convenience over security and accuracy.


https://www.electiondefense.org/internet-connectivity-in-voting-machines

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/election-voting-machine-misleading-claims-394891

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxzk9/exclusive-critical-us-election-systems-have-been-left-exposed-online-despite-official-denials

madaboutharry

(40,225 posts)
2. It is about Russian interference, including malware in Florida voting systems.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 12:38 PM
Sep 2020

Trump initially was supportive of confronting the issue and then on a dime, without anyone seeing it coming, blew up in a rage over Coats giving it so much attention.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. I know lol!
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 01:04 PM
Sep 2020

My first thought when I saw this thread was, “Hey I got the book!” Then I thought, oh, um, well.

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