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MOBILE, Alabama --
Shots were fired Wednesday morning at the Mobile County Democratic Party Headquarters on Government Street. At least one bullet hit the front windows of the office and caused damage. None of the volunteers or party officials present were injured. Police are on the scene and currently investigating.
The Mobile County Democratic Executive Committee is scheduled to meet tonight at 6:00 PM at the Headquarters. Chairman Napolean Bracy reiterated that the local Democrats would not be slowed down. Our efforts to elect Democrats up and down the ballot in Mobile County will not be deterred. Our meeting tonight will go on tonight as scheduled.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/sep/26/shots-fired-democratic-hq-mobile-ar-4631281/
This is 10 blocks from my office. I just drove through the scene. Wow.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Some teagoat firing on Ft Sumter, I surmise.
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)... This is a busy area. The WKRG News article says "this morning", but I came by at 2:45 pm cst, and there are 15 cop cars on the scene. I didn't see any news vehicles yet and I saw no police tape anywhere - so I concluded it had been very recent - like in the last 30 minutes or so. (I am kinda both proud of myself and saddened for the state of my community that I immediately suspected a shooting at the headquarters when I drove by).
Also, if there were people there, it didn't happen at 5:00 am. But I suppose the article could be based on sketchy info at this time - maybe it happened in the wee hours early this morning and wasn't discovered until just recently.
Several uniformed officers and detectives were milling about a side road studying the pavement - I assume looking for shell casings - so it appears they believe the shots were fired from a vehicle. I'll keep you guys updated.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Thank goodness nobody was hurt. I DU Recced this thread, because it shows that desperation, but I hope this kind of stuff doesn't become common.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Waltons_Mtn
(345 posts)I was expecting it, just not this soon.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)firebomb in a Texas Democratic HQ...
Gabby Giffords ...
Explosive in a mailbox at a Dem office reported just this morning...
The Republican reign of terror.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)LITTLE ROCK, Ark. A man recently fired from a Target store barged into the Arkansas Democratic headquarters Wednesday and fatally shot the state party chairman before speeding off in his pickup. Police later shot and killed the suspect after a 30-mile chase.
Police identified the suspect as 50-year-old Timothy Dale Johnson of Searcy, a town about 50 miles northeast of Little Rock. They said that moments after the shooting, Johnson pointed a handgun at a worker at the nearby Arkansas Baptist headquarters. An official there said he told the worker, "I lost my job."
Chairman Bill Gwatney died four hours after the shooting. The 48-year-old former state senator had been planning to travel to the Democratic National Convention later this month as a superdelegate. He had backed Hillary Rodham Clinton but endorsed Barack Obama after she dropped out of the race.
Clinton and her husband, former President and former Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, issued a statement saying Gwatney was "not only a strong chairman of Arkansas' Democratic Party, but ... also a cherished friend and confidant."
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Waltons_Mtn
(345 posts)Ever since President Obama was elected I have been getting emails from old classmates of mine saying shit like 2nd amendment solutions and the like. I grew up in a rural area of Wisconsin, in a town of 4000 people. Most of our parents were union workers or farmers. My father taught me that unions were the working man's only defense against corporations. Now these people spit on that idea. Makes me sick.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Some of my best friends from HS are Fox Zombies who cannot engage in conversation without screaming "they all want to kill us for our freedom".
Waltons_Mtn
(345 posts)But I hope with all of my heart that Wisconsin goes/stays blue this election. It will send a big blue Wisconsin with 10 electoral votes for Obama to each one of them.
raccoon
(31,119 posts)AllyCat
(16,222 posts)Too chicken to go in there and discuss or heck, even walk in brandishing a knife. They take the chicken route and get their boomsticks and cruise on by so they don't ever have to face anyone with their cowardice.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)that is scary. in my apartment complex the other day there was a pickup truck with bunches of bumper stickers and a big hand made sign that purported to portray the president "wiping his ass with the constitution." one of the bumper stickers was this:
any wonder some low info pissed off person with a gun would do this. makes me so sad.
i wonder if this post will be alerted. please know i am only sharing what i saw on this person's truck, not what i believe.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)An example was the Rwandan Genocide. I hope we will never reach that point, but this hate has been preached for over twenty years now. It's loading one group with all the sins of the world. We've been drowning in irrational hatred from the right for years. The media affected Rwanda:
According to recent commentators, the news media played a crucial role in the genocide; local print and radio media fueled the killings while the international media either ignored or seriously misconstrued events on the ground.[23] The print media in Rwanda is believed to have started hate speech against Tutsis, which was later continued by radio stations. According to commentators, anti-Tutsi hate speech "...became so systemic as to seem the norm." The state-owned newspaper Kangura had a central role, starting an anti-Tutsi and anti-RPF campaign in October 1990. In the ongoing International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the individuals behind Kangura have been accused of producing leaflets in 1992 picturing a machete and asking "What shall we do to complete the social revolution of 1959?" a reference to the Hutu revolt that overthrew the Tutsi monarchy and the subsequent politically orchestrated communal violence that resulted in thousands of mostly Tutsi casualties and forced roughly 300,000 Tutsis to flee to neighboring Burundi and Uganda. Kangura also published the infamous "Hutu Ten Commandments", which regulated all dealings with Tutsis and how Hutus were to treat them. It communicated the message that the RPF had a devious grand strategy against the Hutu (one feature article was titled "Tutsi colonization plan" .[24]
Due to high rates of illiteracy at the time of the genocide, radio was an important way for the government to deliver messages to the public. Two radio stations key to inciting violence before and during the genocide were Radio Rwanda and Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines. In March 1992, Radio Rwanda was first used in directly promoting the killing of Tutsi in Bugesera, south of the national capital Kigali. Radio Rwanda repeatedly broadcast a communiqué warning that Hutu in Bugesera would be attacked by Tutsi, a message used by local officials to convince Hutu that they needed to attack first. Led by soldiers, Hutu civilians and the Interahamwe attacked and killed hundreds of Tutsi.[25]
At the end of 1993, the RTLM's highly sensationalized reporting on the assassination of the Burundian president, a Hutu, was used to underline supposed Tutsi brutality. The RTLM falsely reported that the president had been tortured, including castration (in pre-colonial times, some Tutsi kings castrated defeated enemy rulers). There were 50,000 civilian deaths in Burundi in 1993.
From late October 1993, the RTLM repeatedly broadcast themes developed by the extremist written press, underlining the inherent differences between Hutu and Tutsi, the foreign origin of Tutsi, the disproportionate share of Tutsi wealth and power, and the horrors of past Tutsi rule. The RTLM also repeatedly stressed the need to be alert to Tutsi plots and possible attacks. It warned Hutu to prepare to "defend" themselves against the Tutsi.[25] After April 6, 1994, authorities used RTLM and Radio Rwanda to spur and direct killings, specifically in areas where the killings were initially resisted. Both radio stations were used to incite and mobilize populations, followed by specific directions for carrying out the killings.[25]
The RTLM had used terms such as inyenzi (cockroach in Kinyarwandan) and Tutsi interchangeably with others referring to the RPF combatants. It warned that RPF combatants dressed in civilian clothes were mingling among the displaced people fleeing combat zones. These broadcasts gave the impression that all Tutsi were supporters of the RPF force fighting against the elected government.[25] Women were targets of the anti-Tutsi propaganda prior to the 1994 genocide; for example, the "Hutu Ten Commandments" (1990) included four commandments that portrayed Tutsi women as tools of the Tutsi people, and as sexual weapons to weaken and ultimately destroy the Hutu men.[26] Gender-based propaganda also included cartoons printed in newspapers depicting Tutsi women as sex objects. Examples of gender-based hate propaganda used to incite war rape included statements by perpetrators, such as "You Tutsi women think that you are too good for us", and "Let us see what a Tutsi woman tastes like."[26]
To promote an informed population and democracy in Rwanda, international agencies had promoted development of the media during the years leading up to the genocide.[27] It appeared that promoting one aspect of democracy (in this case the media) may, in fact, negatively influence other aspects of democracy or human rights. After this experience it has been argued that international development agencies must be highly sensitive to the specific context of their programmes and the need for promotion of democracy in a holistic manner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#Media_propaganda
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barbtries
(28,811 posts)i shared this at a DU meetup the other evening and everyone was familiar. this guy (in my apt complex) also had a proud descendant of a confederate soldier, overtaxed, and this ridiculous hand painted sign. this is in NC.
i agree with you, it's inciteful.
Freedomofspeech
(4,227 posts)The worst part is they would do it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'm not sure what is to be done. Try to stop it and the Alex Jones types will scream 'Police State.' Their sense of urgency is very high, which most of us who have followed politics for the last few decades are able to decode.
The now taken for granted, hatred of liberals, gays, abortion, Demcrats, etc. as 'the other,' is, as the article said about Rwanda, According to commentators, anti-Tutsi hate speech "...became so systemic as to seem the norm."
Can we deny this is happening in the USA, combined with the push for fact-free, hate-filled intolerance?
This is certainly not the first incident of incitement and stochastic terrorism falling allegedly from the mouths of Rush, Palin and Beck. Most definitely from Beck. He has been cited in cases of police being killed, violence and terroristic threats. People have been convicted and are in prison or being investigated for this now.
Cha
(297,655 posts)This is on fox and limbaugh types.
Too bad that sticker isn't enough to get pulled over and checked for illegal weapons.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)how can a sticker saying you are going to kill gays , liberals , etc legal ?
I don't think it is.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... plain sticker that just said "If it's brown, it's down".
I found that highly offensive.
Terror and intimidation are apparently all the R's have left.
Initech
(100,102 posts)"Feeling SORRY yet America? (O replaced with Obama logo)
Then you're watching way too much (logos of MSNBC, CBS, etc)
And not enough (Fox News logo)."
It was a handmade decal - and very poorly at that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Kansas G.O.P Congressman Virgil Peck Suggests (Shooting Illegal Immigrants From Helicopters)
And again:
Joe the Plumber calls to start shooting immigrants at the border
At two separate events in recent days, Samuel Joe the Plumber Wurzelbacher has proposed to put a damn fence on the border going to Mexico and start shooting.
Wurzelbacher first made the remarks during a campaign rally for Arizona Republican state Rep. Lori Klein on Friday, according to video published by Prescott eNews.
For years Ive said, you know, put a damn fence on the border, going to Mexico and start shooting, he insisted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021129756
They keep saying this, from Teabagger rallies with 'We Didn't Bring Our Guns -This Time,' belligerence, to Sarah Palin's gunview targets of Democratic and liberal opponents, like Gabby Giffords,
Years earlier, Rush LImbaugh and others called for hunting down liberals, not killing all of them, but 'leave a few living fossils to serve as examples...'
How many years are heads filled with this irrational hatred of other human beings' natural right to think differently than what these loud mouths with money and media time preach, before they act on what they've been told? I suggest people know what these guys are listening to and measure it.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)what the hell goes on in these people's minds.
so the last thread i just now read before checking my posts was about the dude who ran a roadblock on the day Obama was in the area. he was armed to the gills. it's hard not to imagine what he may have intended to do.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)When I zoomed it in and read it.
How can this be legal ?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You libruls are soooo... touchy.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Horrible behavior but it's their mistake to think they are the only ones.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)on their part. I know the teabaggers hate to hear this, but the 2nd Amendment is for everyone.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Kennah
(14,315 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Kennah
(14,315 posts)Nothing wrong saying, "If you want to talk, and debate the issues, great. Tell me where and when. But if you think you're going to employ the tactics of thugs using fear and intimidation, think again."
Cha
(297,655 posts)clever.
librechik
(30,676 posts)(naturally making an exception for our hard-pressed Southern Liberals, who need a break right now, I'm sure--especially after getting shot at--that's dedication. )
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)He's running for Joe Donnelly's congressional seat in northern Indiana.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)We certainly hope that its not a politically motivated thing, Reynolds said.
http://whnt.com/2012/09/26/shots-fired-at-mobile-county-democratic-party-hq/
Right now we dont know the cause, but I will be heartbroken if we find out that this incident was politically motivated, said Chairman Bracy. Regardless of our political beliefs or which candidates we support, violence should never be an option in our politics.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Destroying mailboxes is a time honored tradition in Indiana.
Seriously. The state is that boring.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)raccoon
(31,119 posts)CindyinIndy
(90 posts)Not reporting it in Indy?
Grammy23
(5,813 posts)I used to live in Mobile and now live about an hour away in Pensacola. Things are getting pretty bleak for Mitt's chances to win this thing fair and square. I imagine that as this is starting to sink in, the crazies are going to start coming out from behind their bunkers to let the rest of us know they are still among us. Eeekkkk.
One for sure, we cannot let these people dissuade us from exercising our rights as citizens. Vote we must, no matter what we have to do to make sure that happens. I do not doubt for one minute that they will pull every nasty trick in the book up until election day to scare us and make us afraid to show up to vote. I am voting absentee because I started doing it when I was caring for my elderly mother and it was very difficult to vote at the precinct. The nice thing about that was I could sit at my kitchen table and very carefully and deliberately read the amendments and other stuff on the ballot without holding up a long line of others waiting to vote. I could also check and double check my ballot to make sure it was accurate. The most important thing I had to do was make sure I followed ALL THE RULES that were included with that ballot. They tell you everything you need to do, you just need to make sure you do what is required.
No matter what, we cannot let the Wing Nuts, Crazies, Loonies and Determined Cheaters stop us from voting.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)please stay safe.
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)MOBILE, Ala. (WALA) - Alabama Rep. Napoleon Bracy tells FOX10 News a shot was fired into the Democratic Headquarters building late Wednesday morning.
The headquarters is located on Government Street.
Bracy said one bullet went though a window of the storefront. He said people were inside conducting a phone bank.
One woman described what sounded like a loud 'boom'. She said everyone hit the floor or ran to the back room.
No one was injured.
FOX10's Joe Salvatore is on the scene and will have more from Bracy, the workers and Mobile Police here on Fox10tv.com.
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/bullet-shatters-window-at-democratic-headquarters
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Looks like it happened just before Noon, and there were people there. Should be plenty of witnesses that time of day.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)It doesn't come as a surprise, there was trouble in 2008 as well. I have a lot to say on the subject but what can you say about this kind of hatred and bigotry....
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Putting the lives of people at stake just because you disagree with their ideology? That is entirely uncalled for.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)have ingested the likes of Rush, Fox news and the rest for a decade. Imagine those same people brooding for the last 4 years over the same, only the rhetoric from these sources has been magnified. 24 hours a day lies and hate. Even now, some are threatening civil war.
Do you think it's only a misguided political manoeuvre? I don't. I think many are very serious in following through on some of the threats we've heard.
My guess is that 10% of the people who have dimmed their minds with this stuff would advocate violence to "save the good ol' USA" as they see it. If only 1/100 of one percent would consider carrying it out, it would be massive, but if only 10 people carried out violent acts, it could also be devastating. We have history in the recent US of what just 1 or 2 can do under the influence of right wing hate.
The problem is not Americans. The problem is a right wing agenda that for some includes the words, "at any cost". The problem is lack of education, wrong education, fanaticism, fundamentalism and a certain sect of the media that will deliver that message either for a buck or for a corporate aristocracy.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)democratic friends in OFA saying they are hearing people <and we're in the south> threatening civil war. I just didn't want to get into that, and hope we never have to. I do, however, know entirely too many people who went out in 2009 and bought all the guns and bullets they could find.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Speak up where we can, educate where possible. Keep the rhetoric in the realm of reality but not automatically brush off what may sound too over the top. The world can't be much more over the top than it is. I've heard rumours and read reports about war talk from Arizona to Montana to Texas to Alabama to Ohio. It's all over... the dumb thing is, it's all based on lies and twisted views of reality.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)donqpublic
(155 posts)Harvey Updyke Jr, who poisoned trees in the Auburn area because he is a Alabama football fan.
It's hard to expect reason from small minded people. Stay safe.
thc420
(34 posts)...the Reich wings next step. Intimidate, confuse, try to convince people if Rmoney is not elected there will be mass dis order...I still believe Rmoney will be appointed by SCOTUS just like Bush, and he knows it...
rppper
(2,952 posts)....wingnutts coming out of there holes a few months back....I was roundly criticized and called paranoid because I was expecting this very sort of thing to happen...like it did in 2000...2004...2008...2010....
I'm not going to say I told you so or get into the whole gun debate, but I don't believe this is some fringe thing....I'm willing to bet at least 1/3 of people calling themselves conservatives are playing Dirty Harry in the mirror waiting for the elections...
I am glad I am armed....I hope all of you stay safe
Freedomofspeech
(4,227 posts)I worry about that here in Western PA.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Sure hope they catch the bastards that did this. My bet is they will, because jerkoffs who do stuff like this tend to brag about it when they get shitfaced.
NOTE - Just went back to read the link - an "update" has the MPD denying the window was broken by gunfire. Am I reading this correctly?
Another edit - someone who knows guns should watch the video in the link and tell us if the damage to the window is a bullet hit or whether it "broke itself". If it is a bullet hit, the police should have found the bullet inside the building somewhere. ??????
trof
(54,256 posts)Tiny hole.
More like vandalism than threat of death.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... still, it should be a heads up for all dems to be alert.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Why the offices don't have them is beyond belief.
Let's see who is doing this!
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)MOBILE, Alabama --
Updated 3:25pm: Police are discounting claims a bullet caused a window to shatter at the Democratic Party headquarters in Mobile.
Cpl. Chris Levy, a MPD spokesperson, says the window appears to have been damaged previously and may have shattered on its own this morning.
Police are continuing to investigate.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/sep/26/shots-fired-democratic-hq-mobile-ar-4631281/
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Maybe this is why there's not a precinct full of witnesses for a shooting that at least 50 people would have been close enough to see and hear. It is an old building. I'd be relieved if it does turn out to be a false alarm, but I'm sure the local media will use it to make Dems look like alarmists.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts).... it could make a loud noise that could be mistaken for a shot. I hope sincerely it is a false alarm, though the reaction of the dems there is perfectly understandable.
But the initial report says "shots were fired" - meaning more than one was heard. Hope this gets sorted out.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It's Alabama. We do know that there are unusual federal laws concerning Alabama and a couple of other southern states that have to do with safeguarding voting and voting laws because the federal government can't trust the state to protect civil rights on it's own. If they show us the window, show us the walls and have it checked out by Federal officers and maybe I'll believe it.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... but on update police are saying it wasn't from a gunshot.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)all of the redneck fascists tea monkey terrorists are melting down.The reality of their ignorance has finally come to bare. Americans are weary of their carping while the economy just sinks like a rock every day. These social issues have become so burdensome we are tired from them. We have real issues that have been ignored forever.
So the teabillies have become restless. They dont like being ignored. They dont like being marginalized. They are going to act out. A few will become dangerous. There are going to be incidents like this, probably much worse as a result of the new awakening of the progressive America.
Some will call it the price of liberty, or some nonsense. We all know its just a bunch of assholes who have been manipulated by the republican idealogues for so long. The narrow minded clones who have been convinced that they have the right to bully anyone who does not fully swallow the bullshit they have ingested that makes their insides rot. They are the terrorist tea baggers who threaten bloggers, like myself daily. They are the juvenile adults who play militia, the militia wannabes, the killers for Crist the militant Mormons, the redneck haters, the rightwing stalker terrorist, the anti abortion terrorists, the survivalist who would like to see kaos. The list goes on. They are dangerous. and they are riled up. They are losing and they are desperate.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)I've never been down that road that it wasn't moderately heavy traffic, even at odd hours.
Betcha there's a security camera somewhere that caught it on film.
trof
(54,256 posts)Shooter in 'shotgun' seat (no pun intended) could fire pellet pistol and not be seen.
trof
(54,256 posts)MOBILE, Alabama --
Updated 3:25pm: Police are discounting claims a bullet caused a window to shatter at the Democratic Party headquarters in Mobile.
Cpl. Chris Levy, a MPD spokesperson, says the window appears to have been damaged previously and may have shattered on its own this morning.
Police are continuing to investigate.
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/sep/26/4/shots-fired-democratic-hq-mobile-ar-4631281/
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)in bullet holes and whahhh? No wait. Not really. That's actually never happened.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)The Anschluß is coming... if we don't give a damn.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)it is dangerous to tout your political beliefs.
But what I am finding is really inspiring...there are more of us than I thought and I have found an entirely new coalition of allies in some of the least expected places.