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Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:08 PM Sep 2012

CNN going HARD after Obama on the Libya story

their last two top of the hour leads have focused on "Cracks in the WH Story" regarding the attack in Benghazi. being of sound mind, I haven't followed this, choosing instead to bask in the latest polls, as covered on MSNBC

anybody following this? I know the polls are showing some negative trends WRT foreign policy, but my fragile mental state allows me only to accept positive reinforcement

can't bear to watch CNN much. for example, they had on, of all people, a much fatter (btw) Ken Blackwell, trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat on the dismal Ohio news. that was fun, but that's as far as I went

any thoughts on what's in store on the foreign policy/terra front in the next six weeks?

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CNN going HARD after Obama on the Libya story (Original Post) Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 OP
horserace. $$$. Horserace. $$$. Faux envy. $$$ NRaleighLiberal Sep 2012 #1
+1 $$$$$$$$$ trof Sep 2012 #14
They are Faux Snooze lite BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #2
I don't understand everybody just blowing this off. renie408 Sep 2012 #4
What excactly is the story Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #7
I dunno, and am waiting until the CBS/NBC/ABC nexus starts covering at the same level Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #10
this could be another story i heard today madrchsod Sep 2012 #13
that was trotted out almost instantaneously, via an unnamed (at the time) Libyan Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #20
Nutshell version: renie408 Sep 2012 #15
So he was worried he'd be targeted because he was in a dangerous area Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #19
I guess I am just a worry wart. renie408 Sep 2012 #24
The Middle East is a dangerous place infested with Al-Qaeda operatives Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #27
Yeah.... renie408 Sep 2012 #30
I wonder why Stevens didn't leave earlier then. nt valerief Sep 2012 #36
Or... raw raina Sep 2012 #29
The family has the diary. renie408 Sep 2012 #31
How do you know what the family knows? raw raina Sep 2012 #34
Ha! Perhaps. al-Qaeda is the proverbial boogeyman. nt valerief Sep 2012 #37
Boogey of the Year. raw raina Sep 2012 #38
The story is that the Obama Administration Keeps Blaming "The Video"... liberallibral Sep 2012 #23
Thank you. renie408 Sep 2012 #25
so they were not relying on the (at least) nine (edit here....my computer is near death) Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #32
Believe it or not... renie408 Sep 2012 #44
I don't particularly care for Obama. I loathe almost every republican who's infested the Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #47
The Obama Adminstration just said it was Al Qaeda Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #35
Not exactly what I saw Sugarcoated Sep 2012 #39
The "story" BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #9
That is a big mistake. There IS a story there. renie408 Sep 2012 #17
I was asking about this the other day and DEFINITELY did not feel the DU love renie408 Sep 2012 #3
got any sourcing? this is from that left wing festerhole the WSJ: Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #21
Hopefully renie408 Sep 2012 #26
Are they trying to cover up or distract from their use of the Ambassador's personal Laurian Sep 2012 #5
Agree Laurian skeewee08 Sep 2012 #6
Media Matters on the Benghazi attacks and the RW spin LongTomH Sep 2012 #8
but aren't they worse than RT? that guy who's friends with Laura Ingraham is WORSE than Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #12
of course Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #16
The American public isn't going to react much to this. dkf Sep 2012 #11
which senators? from the demented wing, or the merely baying at the moon wing? Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #18
John McCain, Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, Ron Johnson dkf Sep 2012 #40
interesting. care to share your sourcing? I know they sent a letter.....filled with a bunch Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #42
I post about what concerns me. dkf Sep 2012 #48
ahhhh. your 'concern'.......... Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #50
They've been doing this now nonstop for a few days. I've been in the gym and that's all CNN is Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #22
Glad I don't watch the msm still_one Sep 2012 #28
CNN is just pissed Laurajr Sep 2012 #33
they've been on this since the top o'the hour, and now have THREE repugs on, discussing Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #41
Have you seen this? BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #45
gloria, jr. finally got off it at 7:30. then, he brought on foreign policy expert Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #46
Do you have an idea of how few people watch CNN grantcart Sep 2012 #43
a hearty handshake to you and BumRushDaShow for dragging me back into Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #49
Rupert Murdoch's illegitimate child. Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #51

renie408

(9,854 posts)
4. I don't understand everybody just blowing this off.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:12 PM
Sep 2012

There is definitely a story there. We just have to hope it doesn't catch on.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
10. I dunno, and am waiting until the CBS/NBC/ABC nexus starts covering at the same level
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:31 PM
Sep 2012

before I start worrying

to be fair (and balanced?) what's her name followed with the Ohio story, and how badly Romney is doing there. no punches pulled, either.

interestingly, as I type they're doing a story on the Cal pepper spray settlement

didn't see that on msnbc....but I skip around, searching for validative succor

tweety having fun with Michael Rennie/Romney

I can live with this....hope it lasts til November

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
13. this could be another story i heard today
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:34 PM
Sep 2012

the right wing is saying obama should have known the embassy in Libya would be attacked on 9/11.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
20. that was trotted out almost instantaneously, via an unnamed (at the time) Libyan
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:45 PM
Sep 2012

official

it was in the Independent, and immediately pounced upon by the likes of Fox, Breitbart, etal. that was about all you could find if you googled that story

renie408

(9,854 posts)
15. Nutshell version:
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:36 PM
Sep 2012

A CNN reporter walked into the largely unsecured consulate in Benghazi three days after the riots there and found Chris Stevens' personal diary. In the diary they found that Stevens had been writing for months about his fears for his personal safety and about the security. CNN contacted the family, the family wanted the diary back, CNN returned the diary and said they wouldn't use information from it, then they did. CNN says they were referring to personal information, not information that could be construed to be of national interest.

A top aide to Hillary Clinton came out swinging at CNN. Sunday morning a reporter sent some pointed emails to said aide. The exchange became heated and the aide told the reporter to FUCK OFF, in writing.

The upshot is that the whole thing sort of makes State and the WH look incompetent. That Stevens wrote for months that he was worried that he was being targeted by al Qaeda (and then he was), that the consulate was left unguarded and the diary found by a reporter (while State is busy telling everybody that no sensitive information was taken from the compound) and that the aide lost his shit and told somebody to fuck off in writing. The last part is the least and probably not going to be a big deal. The rest....could be.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
19. So he was worried he'd be targeted because he was in a dangerous area
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

I fail to see how this is bad for Obama. Is the Obama Administration supposed to know all pending and active terrorist attacks?

renie408

(9,854 posts)
24. I guess I am just a worry wart.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012

It seemed BAD to me that a US Ambassador wrote for eight months that he was worried for his life, that his security wasn't sufficient and that he was being targeted by al Qaeda and then he was MURDERED BY AL QAEDA. I also thought it might not look good that we allowed somebody to wander in off the street and walk out of the consulate with his diary.

But hey, I guess I can see how that is all just really no big deal. Now all we have to do is hope the rest of the country agrees with you.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. The Middle East is a dangerous place infested with Al-Qaeda operatives
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:01 PM
Sep 2012

You can't possibly provide maximum security to every single location where a threat might emanate. It's not possible.

Also, remember this was a consulate, it wasn't even the embassy. As for allowing the ambassador to go on the street, that's a risk that must be taken when you're an ambassador. You have to do your job in a risky area.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
30. Yeah....
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:04 PM
Sep 2012

Look, I don't know enough about foreign consular security to say definitively that they should have had more security. I am just thinking the fact that the guy is DEAD lends me to believe maybe he was onto something about being targeted. And I think maybe you could make the case that if you have an Ambassador who is in fear for his life, that on the anniversary of 9/11 you might have more security around.

But, I really DON'T know that much about this and maybe it won't get picked up, but there is something there that might smell bad and pretending there isn't doesn't make it go away.

 

raw raina

(21 posts)
29. Or...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:04 PM
Sep 2012

that diary (and isn't it oh-so convenient how we "find" all this "evidence"?) is a FAKE designed to make us think that Al-Quaeda ISN'T CIA!

 

liberallibral

(272 posts)
23. The story is that the Obama Administration Keeps Blaming "The Video"...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:55 PM
Sep 2012

...and clearly that's NOT the cause of the attack in Libya!

Yes, it's a problem when Susan Rice is on all the Sunday shows 2 weeks ago saying it was the video...the video... the video...

Now, it's pretty evident it was a pre-planned attack, and not being able to protect an American Ambassador (the first killed in over 30 years) is a PROBLEM!!!

renie408

(9,854 posts)
25. Thank you.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:58 PM
Sep 2012

And that Stevens wrote for months that he was in fear of his life, but let's be honest, the security in Benghazi was not that great. We were relying on local police many of whom dropped their weapons and ran off when the trouble started.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
32. so they were not relying on the (at least) nine (edit here....my computer is near death)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sep 2012

armed US officers at the consulate?

did you read anything at media matters, which pooled some sources that hold a slightly different interp than yours?

indluding, as I said, that left wing rag owned by Murdoch

renie408

(9,854 posts)
44. Believe it or not...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:44 PM
Sep 2012

I actually like Obama. I don't really WANT this to be a thing. If it isn't and I overreacted, good.

What I hope is that they missed the news cycle on this and that nobody else will pick it up because they will consider it tainted from CNN's handling of the diary. And that, over time, the investigation will show that there was nothing anybody could have done differently.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
47. I don't particularly care for Obama. I loathe almost every republican who's infested the
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:50 PM
Sep 2012

national scene since 1960, however, and deplore what they and their corporate stringpullers have done to the world since then

Ike was right about them, and, unfortunately, the dems have seen where their own bread is buttered, as well

the slide might be a little slower, a little more alterable without the likes of tool Romney, etal, to finish off the process Cheneybush accelerated 12 years ago

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
35. The Obama Adminstration just said it was Al Qaeda
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:12 PM
Sep 2012

Hillary said that. What are you talking about?

Look....the Administration can't know everything immediately.

The were protests all over the middle east because of the video. How were they supposed to know at the time this was different? The investigation is obviously still on going. Clearly Al-Qaeda took advantage of the video protests.

This story isn't going anywhere. Sorry.

Sugarcoated

(7,728 posts)
39. Not exactly what I saw
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:20 PM
Sep 2012

and I paid very close attention to Rice's appearances, particularly on FOX. She said, basically, this is what we think happened based on what we know, but are investigating. Obama is saying it was a combination of both, the mobs from the video and organized terror group. Still investigating the details.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
17. That is a big mistake. There IS a story there.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:37 PM
Sep 2012

Whether it gets picked up by other news outlets is up for grabs. Hopefully, CNN has tainted the whole thing by their handling of the diary.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
3. I was asking about this the other day and DEFINITELY did not feel the DU love
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:11 PM
Sep 2012

It isn't good. I am hoping like hell they missed the news cycle on that one.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
21. got any sourcing? this is from that left wing festerhole the WSJ:
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:52 PM
Sep 2012

In the days before Sept. 11, intelligence agencies issued their annual warning of heightened security risks around the anniversary of the 2001 attacks. Many counterterrorism officials saw a lessened risk this year than last year, which was the 10th anniversary and the first one after the killing of Osama bin Laden.

In Libya, embassy personnel conducted a security review right before the anniversary. It determined there was no reason to think an attack was planned or the consulate in Benghazi was "insufficiently postured," said a senior administration official. --

The Wall Street Journal, 9/21/12

not defending the protection, but who you going to believe when it comes to the idea of 'reasonable protection?'

renie408

(9,854 posts)
26. Hopefully
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:00 PM
Sep 2012

you are right. I was going on Chris Stevens writing in his journal for eight months that he was afraid for his life and that he thought he was being targeted by al Qaeda. As someone else pointed out the other day, if he did not communicate those fears up the chain of command, then the WH and State are in the clear.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
5. Are they trying to cover up or distract from their use of the Ambassador's personal
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:13 PM
Sep 2012

diary against his family's wishes? I thought that was a disgusting act by CNN.

skeewee08

(1,983 posts)
6. Agree Laurian
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:17 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I do hope President Obama is prepared in the debates especially with Crawly

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
12. but aren't they worse than RT? that guy who's friends with Laura Ingraham is WORSE than
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:33 PM
Sep 2012

a commie, yes?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
11. The American public isn't going to react much to this.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:32 PM
Sep 2012

They've turned on Romney.

But the Reps are going to give Obama a lot of grief. 4 senators are going off on Susan Rice's statements and they are pretty steamed over the Senate briefing they received. It will probably be their card to play to protect military spending.





 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
42. interesting. care to share your sourcing? I know they sent a letter.....filled with a bunch
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:39 PM
Sep 2012

of questionable, to be more than fair, assertions, along with some egregious bullshit/character assassination

how come you always come up on the, uh, contrarian side of things, presenting issues in mostly always an unfavorable slant

don't bother to answer that last. it's obvious to all who read your contributions

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
48. I post about what concerns me.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:52 PM
Sep 2012

Or what interests me.

Mostly I post about things that make me nervous.

And yes I expect a lot from Obama. He is the only President we have and he has to get it right.

Oh and source...I heard it from CNN and googled it.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/09/republicans-demand-answers-from-white-house-on-libya-136721.html?hp=l1_b1

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
50. ahhhh. your 'concern'..........
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:00 PM
Sep 2012

interests me


as does the only source I could find that wasn't WAY out in the Oort cloud

not that Politico carries much weight here, owned as it is by a megarich right wing lunatic

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
22. They've been doing this now nonstop for a few days. I've been in the gym and that's all CNN is
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:54 PM
Sep 2012

talking about.

Laurajr

(223 posts)
33. CNN is just pissed
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:08 PM
Sep 2012

Because they got called out for reading the private diary of Stevens so they are creating a smoke screen.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
41. they've been on this since the top o'the hour, and now have THREE repugs on, discussing
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:25 PM
Sep 2012

this, including lunatic Johnny Isakson


http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/johnny-isakson-r-how-someone-could-take

your cred is taking a gigantic hit here, Mr. Vanderbilt

BumRushDaShow

(129,469 posts)
45. Have you seen this?
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Sep 2012

The very beginning is poignant and it essentially makes CNN look like the idiots that they are.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
46. gloria, jr. finally got off it at 7:30. then, he brought on foreign policy expert
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Sep 2012

Rudy Giuliani, bestowing his knowledge upon us re: Iranian nukes

I do not kid this time

really?

really?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
49. a hearty handshake to you and BumRushDaShow for dragging me back into
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:56 PM
Sep 2012

sensate being

I now depart for some sort of mixpack beer and a look at Louie, Season II, compliments of my socialist local library

cheerio!

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