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from David Roberts at Grist: http://grist.org/politics/in-an-era-of-post-truth-politics-credibility-is-like-a-rainbow/
Sullivan has the cover story in the latest issue of Newsweek, called The Democrats Reagan, about the enormous potential of a second Obama term. One of his main arguments is that a decisive defeat for Republicans in 2012 could interrupt their rightward drift. Defeat would cause soul-searching, cooler heads would once again prevail, and the party would tack to the center. Color me skeptical.
Mostly I was struck by this line, which comes in the context of a discussion about immigration:
Under Obama, deportations of illegal aliens are double what they were under his predecessor; and the number of border agents is at a record high. Both give him conservative credibility on the issue, if only the right would acknowledge it.
. . . In post-truth politics, the basic mistake to see things like credibility as objective phenomena in the world. Put high heat to water, you get steam. Put conservative immigration policies to Obama, you get conservative credibility.
Credibility is not like that. Its what you might call a relational phenomenon; it exists in the relationship between object and subject. Think about a rainbow. (Always good advice.) For a rainbow to exist, you need sunlight and water vapor in the air, but also a subject positioned at a particular angle to the sun and water vapor. A rainbow is just how the light bouncing off the vapor appears to the subject. Without the subject, theres no appearing, and thus no rainbow.
Credibility is like a rainbow. It is relational. Conservative credibility is not something that simply happens when conservative policies are enacted or conservative rhetoric echoed. It requires a subject in this case a conservative subject to witness and acknowledge it. One must be credible to someone, and to have conservative credibility one must be credible to conservatives.
. . . there are no referees any more, no members of the elite who transcend the partisan war and are respected by both sides. Or at least very few. Any more, there are only the sides and their respective worlds. Conservative credibility can only come from the conservative side, and if conservatives refuse to grant it, it doesnt exist, any more than a rainbow exists when no ones looking at it.
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. . . In post-truth politics, the basic mistake to see things like credibility as objective phenomena in the world. Put high heat to water, you get steam. Put conservative immigration policies to Obama, you get conservative credibility.
Credibility is not like that. Its what you might call a relational phenomenon; it exists in the relationship between object and subject. Think about a rainbow. (Always good advice.) For a rainbow to exist, you need sunlight and water vapor in the air, but also a subject positioned at a particular angle to the sun and water vapor. A rainbow is just how the light bouncing off the vapor appears to the subject. Without the subject, theres no appearing, and thus no rainbow.
Credibility is like a rainbow. It is relational. Conservative credibility is not something that simply happens when conservative policies are enacted or conservative rhetoric echoed. It requires a subject in this case a conservative subject to witness and acknowledge it. One must be credible to someone, and to have conservative credibility one must be credible to conservatives.
. . . there are no referees any more, no members of the elite who transcend the partisan war and are respected by both sides. Or at least very few. Any more, there are only the sides and their respective worlds. Conservative credibility can only come from the conservative side, and if conservatives refuse to grant it, it doesnt exist, any more than a rainbow exists when no ones looking at it.
Credibility is not like that. Its what you might call a relational phenomenon; it exists in the relationship between object and subject. Think about a rainbow. (Always good advice.) For a rainbow to exist, you need sunlight and water vapor in the air, but also a subject positioned at a particular angle to the sun and water vapor. A rainbow is just how the light bouncing off the vapor appears to the subject. Without the subject, theres no appearing, and thus no rainbow.
Credibility is like a rainbow. It is relational. Conservative credibility is not something that simply happens when conservative policies are enacted or conservative rhetoric echoed. It requires a subject in this case a conservative subject to witness and acknowledge it. One must be credible to someone, and to have conservative credibility one must be credible to conservatives.
. . . there are no referees any more, no members of the elite who transcend the partisan war and are respected by both sides. Or at least very few. Any more, there are only the sides and their respective worlds. Conservative credibility can only come from the conservative side, and if conservatives refuse to grant it, it doesnt exist, any more than a rainbow exists when no ones looking at it.