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Bruce Wayne

(692 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:07 PM Jan 2012

Romney's right: a boss should be able to fire a worker

I once had an employee--let's call him "Tayson Jodd" for anonymity's sake--and he started at the bottom in one of my enterprises. Now this young fellow just wasn't up to the tasks assigned him--in this case he even cost me some critical advantages in my, um, line of work. It was past time to let him go.

But I was reluctant to let "Tayson" go. Among other factors, I knew that if Tayson lost his job, he would find himself out on his own, without any healthcare. Firing him, while entirely in the interests of my "business," would then turn out to be an untenable burden on him. And as it turned out, Tayson was going to be in desperate need of a lot of quality healthcare, but was not going to be able to afford costly C.O.B.R.A. payments. This placed an unfair moral/social burden on me as his employer.

So, in fact, Mitt Romney makes an excellent case for single-payer universal health care benefits provided by the government--just like nearly every other industrialized country in the world provides. Why should his healthcare be bundled with his employment? His need for healthcare certainly doesn't end with his employment. Romney's comments, while only inadvertanly humane, point out a glaring problem in our healthcare system. We need true universal coverage, just like any modern industrial wealthy nation in the Western world recognizes is a fundamental right. When Tayson contracted a bad case of, say, "iron poisoning", he deserved to have this condition treated, and I as his boss shouldn't have a special responsibility for someone's health just because they worked for me at one time.

Only the government can provide this kind of service. Running a business right requires tough choices--choices almost tough as a responsible grown-up Republican voter faces this year. Our healthcare system shouldn't make it any tougher. So in a way, Romney's right: we need a single-payer, government run healthcare system.

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etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
5. That was my reaction at first ... before really reading the post
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:37 PM
Jan 2012

"So, in fact, Mitt Romney makes an excellent case for single-payer universal health care benefits provided by the government--just like nearly every other industrialized country in the world provides. Why should his healthcare be bundled with his employment? His need for healthcare certainly doesn't end with his employment. Romney's comments, while only inadvertanly humane, point out a glaring problem in our healthcare system. We need true universal coverage, just like any modern industrial wealthy nation in the Western world recognizes is a fundamental right."

I think the poster tried to make a good point.

I would like to point out that workers may be chained to horrible employers based solely on the need for health-care

MattBaggins

(7,905 posts)
8. This is actually a very good point
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jan 2012

Having healthcare stapled, welded and glued, to employment is a horrible system.

I am tired of looking for jobs that I don't really want just because they offer "bennys". People could actually work for small businesses or personal dreams and projects if they weren't tied down to a crap job that has healthcare.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
12. Its not that deeply buried.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:29 PM
Jan 2012

I think its a good point for small business owners ... not that they can fire folk at will ... but that they shouldn't have the burden of trying to provide healthcare benefits (it should be universal coverage/ healthcare for all). It could open up the pool of potential employees ... it could allow small businesses to hire more full time employees.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. A boss should indeed be able to fire a worker if he can't do the work
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:36 PM
Jan 2012

He/she should not be able to fire somebody just because the cost of providing that employee's health care has gone up. Especially if job related conditions led to the increase in health care costs.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. This strikes me as a very good talking point.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jan 2012

Add to this the opposite idea; that individuals should be able to "fire" their employer and move to another one anytime they want and have the opportunity to do so. Regardless of their health issues.

Individuals should be able to change jobs without changing doctors.

When an individual has an opportunity for a better position with a different company, their first thoughts shouldn't have to be: "Can my sick child keep his current doctor? What will my copays for his medicine be under the new insurance?"

These can be winning arguments when discussing the issue with business owners and with employees who currently have insurance.

StatGirl

(518 posts)
6. But as I recall,
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:43 PM
Jan 2012

"Tayson"'s health issues should have been covered by Worker's comp. Of course, then you get into problems with child labor laws.

You should have kept "Grick Dayson" motivated to stay with you, even with that little problem of his relationship with an undocumented alien.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
7. You forgot ..."for cause" at the end of your subject line...
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:45 PM
Jan 2012

Romney wants to be able to fire anyone, anytime...no, bosses don't have that right, companies don't have that right...actually, they do in lots of states, but they shouldn't...for cause, people, for cause!

Nikia

(11,411 posts)
11. Especially since declining work performance and can be caused by declining mental health
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jan 2012

On the flip side, a bad workplace can increase the severity of mental health conditions.
The last thing that someone with declining mental health needs is to lose their health insurance.

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