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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, why is Kerry downplaying Obama's preparation for the debate?
Just saw him on t.v. and he said that Obama has been busy running the country and hasn't had any time to prepare, while Romney has been well coached and he expects him to do well.
Is this a strategy?
rox63
(9,464 posts)Normal operating procedure.
former9thward
(32,064 posts)Democratic National Committee predicts Romney win. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/democratic_national_committee_predicts_evR1gr8P6vBzgkMxDxvx7N
JI7
(89,261 posts)so much that it will turn the election around .
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and his own campaign has been tripping all over each other all along....
tblue37
(65,477 posts)for his own run in 2016, just in case he decides to go for it.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)/endobligatoryfatjoke
He obviously has his eyes on the post-Obama presidency and would have run this year if there was not an incumbent up for reelection. He seems to have his own personal agenda and is less concerned with the well-being of his party.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)know a strategy if it smacked them upside the head.
Romney Camp Pushes Dueling Messages Ahead Of Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021441746
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)After all, he wouldn't even support the Ohio delegation when they contested the vote on his behalf. The Libertarians and Greens had to pay for the recount while he fled the field with his campaign war chest between his legs.
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HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)Can't handle the truth? Attack the speaker.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Can't handle the truth? Attack the speaker."
...the "truth" is incongruous.
Here's your comment:
After all, he wouldn't even support the Ohio delegation when they contested the vote on his behalf. The Libertarians and Greens had to pay for the recount while he fled the field with his campaign war chest between his legs.
This could only mean one of two things:
1) You believe Kerry won, meaning he knows something about running a "presidential campaign," but the election was stolen. You could call him a "loser," but you believe he won.
2) He lost, therefore he knows nothing about "running a presidential campaign," and the those who contested the vote on his behalf are morons.
I think he won, ran a great campaign, sabotaged by the media's complicity with the Swift Liars, but still victorious, and the election tampering, vote suppression, long lines, poll thuggery, blackouts, vote switching resulted in a stolen election.
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)He refused to fight for us or for himself. He refused to pursue a recount. That's why TWO OTHER parties had to do it for him. The Ohio delegation challenged the vote. He spoke AGAINST them.
You can argue about election tampering all you want but since he refused to challenge the vote or fight for the election we will never know the truth.
He lost because he surrendered.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"No, it was not stolen. He gave up He refused to fight for us or for himself. He refused to pursue a recount. "
...doesn't that mean he still won? Or are you envisioning a scenario in which he lost and should have fought "for us or for himself"?
"You can argue about election tampering all you want but since he refused to challenge the vote or fight for the election we will never know the truth. "
You can argue nonsense all you want, but your point is just that...nonsense.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The fact is the recount - as you state - did happen - and as ANYONE would have predicted it made very little difference in the votes. You do not find discrepancies of over 100,000 votes via a recount. This was not Florida with a difference of 356 votes - and ballots that could be examined to see if hanging chads had caused them to be miscounted.
He conceded because he did not have a majority of the votes actually cast in Ohio. He was cheated of what would have been a very unlikely upset win that was due to his excellent debates. The media worked hard to not let people see him for the man he is.
pinto
(106,886 posts)a rehash of some vague buzz. Cite something specific. Thanks.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....funny....Republican indeed...."hopeless" indeed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)have been Obama's best surrogate in 2008 and his current debate prep partner.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)We just didn't know it at the time.
Operation NORTHWOODS
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Well, then the party leadership needs to be fired."
...Obama included, in the process of kicking ass, and that seems to have some people upset.
Celebrate, don't hate!
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)but with drone strikes and the NDAA being passed, I can't feel that democracy is winning. Holding the line is not necessarily winning, it's just not losing.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I'm happy that the GOP is losing but with drone strikes and the NDAA being passed, I can't feel that democracy is winning. Holding the line is not necessarily winning, it's just not losing."
...just as I suspected, this has nothing to do with Kerry, and everything to do with Green Party bullshit attacks on Democrats. I mean, a few more comments and you're like to turn on President Obama. Transparent segue ("drone strikes and the NDAA" from this comment: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1443160
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karynnj
(59,504 posts)-- and there wasn't. The Republicans won mostly by suppressing the number of Democrats who voted. There were 4 hour plus lines - and obviously many gave up because they had to. The fact is that Kerry was 120,000 votes short. NO recount has ever found even 10% of that.
The Democratic party did want want to be labeled as poor sports challenging when there was no case. The fact is that Kerry within the first 2 years after losing spoke openly in several public speeches about the voter suppression and the problems with machines - as did Teresa. In addition, Kerry gave a long Senate speech when Boxer introduced a bill to prevent voter suppression that detailed ALL the things that they know of that happened. Kerry and Feingold introduced a bill that would have required that paper ballots be available wherever something like Ohio happened, but they could not get much support.
By the way, if you were fooled by Edwards, the record is he did and said nothing publicly until he saw in late 2006 that he could speak to the blogs saying he wanted to contest - but he never said anything in mainstream interviews. (Nor did he say what his case would be in contesting.)
Seeing that you are hopelessly liberal, I assume you recognize that Kerry was the most liberal of the 2004 viable candidates (excludes Sharpton and Mosely Braun) and the most liberal nominee for many decades - including ) Obama.
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)Gore could have fought for Florida but he didn't. We were all in shock about the events and we let it slide. So, when we nominated Kerry it was with the idea that the "war hero" would not abandon us if similar events occurred again. Those events occurred and he abandoned us in the field.
When you are dealing with a case like this, hiding behind the technicalities of the law is cowardice. He should have stood with the Ohio delegation and made this the issue for the next four years not quietly slink into the shadows of system.
What does that say to the rest of the world? The Ohio delegation had the courage to bring the matter into the spotlight. He had a choice to leave it there or turn off the light. Was this about closing an accounting gap? No. It was about invalidating the results of an election because voters were defrauded by those charged with protecting the system.
Why do I use "Hopeless" in my nick? Because of this crap and the apologists that support it and allow it to continue. I wasn't there when women first fought for the vote or when unions were fighting and dying for the right to form or when african americans took a stand against violent forces for their right to vote. I can only wonder how they would feel that we take these matters so lightly that we reduce them to "being a good sport."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"When you are dealing with a case like this, hiding behind the technicalities of the law is cowardice. He should have stood with the Ohio delegation and made this the issue for the next four years not quietly slink into the shadows of system."
...so that Obama, a Democrat could win in 2008? So that you could be absolved of bitterness?
You don't give a shit about whether Kerry won or not. You seem to be using the issue to slam the Democratic Party, and opportunisticly to throw around slurs like "cowardice."
We're one month away from re-electing Obama, and here you are whining about an election eight years ago.
HopelesslyLiberal
(56 posts)I'd like to see the Democratic party return to being to the left of the 1956 Republican Party.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)The Supreme Court decided for Bush. There is no way to appeal the Supreme Court.
I assume that you do not know that one of the lawyers leading the effort in 2008 to insure that the election was clean was Cam Kerry, the younger brother of John. In addition, in an interview on election day in 2008, Kerry spoke of a conference call he had very early that morning.
That and trying to pass legislation may not be as satisfying as protesting in the streets, but given that he is in a place of power, it is more likely to be useful.
tavernier
(12,396 posts)and the worst moment in my life as an American was when I watched a warehouse full of disgusting, ugly people wearing band-aids and mocking every soldier that had ever been injured in combat in Viet Nam. To this day I tear up at that memory. This was a truly creepy and indecent moment of history in our country, and I'm not sure if I'll ever forget it. It bowled me over, and I have no doubt that it rocked Kerry to the core as well.
Karl Rove took credit for this maneuver later, and I truly hope he gets every bit of it once he meets his maker.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)I would think prepping for this debate is going to be unique. Willard lies with the same regularity that most people breathe. So, President Obama is going to have to be prepared to respond to a wide variety of obsfucations.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-spox-presidents-debate-prep-less-than-we
Obama Campaign Lowers Expectations For Debates
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/obama-campaign-lowers-expectations-for-debates.php
Plouffe: Romney Will Probably Benefit More From The Debate Than Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021440708
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)He is playing the game correctly,always make it seem like your guy rose to the occasion, not sunk to it.
It is Romney's team that is so busy covering their own asses that they can't play the game correctly.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)When you lower the bar, even a so-so performance is seen as a win.
Oddly though, Romney's team seems to be doing the opposite and raising the bar very high for Romney. When you raise the bar then you have to perform very, very well or it's a failure.
JI7
(89,261 posts)but they are only doing it as a way to help romney by saying the election can still turn in Romney's favor through the debates. that kerry was further behind but the debates helped the election to get closer.
Baitball Blogger
(46,754 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It wasn't great, and it seemed obvious to me he didn't do well, but expectations were so low that people were amazed he was able to keep his head at all above water, and he was called the victor.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Everyone remembers the bulge. So obvious.
Operation NORTHWOODS
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Otherwise he wouldn't have even met the very low expectations people had for him.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)someone should shut off the sound! Dorothy!
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Anyone watching saw one man who was articulate, pleasant, Presidential and knew his stuff -- and the other was the President, who was at some points completely under water - to steal your analogy.
Their spin, Kerry was better at debates, but Bush was the decider.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Duh.
Raine
(30,540 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)If he gets amped and loosened up, he is a gaffe factory.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Obama and Biden understand the issues far better than Romney and Ryan ever will. So they don't need to spend any time memorizing names and places.
They do need to work on exactly how to phrase a few things, but really, this is that same sort of thing they work on every day.
The only special prep is to anticipate "gotcha" questions from the moderator and zingers from the opponent.
And unlike some other years, Obama really doesn't have to position Romney. Romney is already trapped by his own positions. Obama just needs to keep the electric fence powered up. Obama doesn't need to "score points". All he really needs to do is reinforce what the public already believes, which is that Obama is an honest man trying earnestly to do the best job under the circumstances and Romney is a shady character who doesn't share the common person's values. If that belief system holds after the debate, then Obama is the winner.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)so has been putting it off under the excuse of too much other stuff to do. Jennifer Granholm mentioned this the other night and was begging Obama to get to debate camp. She was one of the ones who prepped him four years ago so she speaks with some inside knowledge of the subject.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)In Romney becoming a gaffe factory. The dude couldn't even avoid gaffes in a relatively low pressure situation in London. How the heck is he going to avoid them when the stakes are much higher?
NashvilleLefty
(811 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)
Don Christie and Hanoi Johnny(McCain) are (foolishly) playing up Romney's performance standards.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)John Kerry has given more to his Country and the Democratic Party than 99% of the people in this country and deserves more respect than that.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)I realize that you might mean McCain, which is also inappropriate and I've seen nothing where he speaks of the debates. You might have missed where Kerry is the person chosen to do debate practice with Obama and might have missed that Kerry's early endorsement in 2008 was important - not to mention Kerry gave him the key note speech. Kerry has been as loyal to Obama as anyone in Congress. You should remove your post.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)They couldn't of meant Mc Insane wasn't mentioned at all .
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I really do not get why ANYONE here would not vote to hide that post. The fact is that it is completely a RW slur and the poster using it obviously has not followed that the ENTIRE Obama team is saying the same thing. Kerry actually seemed half hearted in playing that game - not showing the same interest and intensity he showed speaking on any real issue.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)gave the poster my resons, I am at a loss myself .
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)McCain was on the air this morning talking about how the polls were going to change after this weeks debate.
See this:
http://thehill.com/video/sunday-shows/259353-mccain-obama-inept-and-ignorant-in-reaction-to-libya-attack
"Republicans continued this weekend to hammer the Obama administration over its response to the recent Libya attacks, with Sen. John McCain calling the president "inept" and "ignorant" in his handling of the episode."
McCain has decided to politicize the death of Ambassador Stevens.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Not to mention McCain had not been mentioned in this thread - and Kerry was called things like that by the right (connecting him to Hanoi Jane) and this was a thread that was on Kerry's comments.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)I have respect for John Kerry. I worked on his campaign in 2004.
Pity McCain has turned out to be a bitter loser.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)It's an old method actually.