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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy opinion, Romney is winning this debate :(
In the eyes of the media and the undecided voters all Romney had to do was NOT lose and he would have won this debate. It's a sad truth, but the truth.
Romney - Lies, lies, lies, rude, overbearing, loud, obnoxious and condescending.
Obama - Cool, calm, collected, in control of the facts and presidential.
The problem? Obama hasn't stood his ground loudly and firmly. He hasn't fought back strong and hard. The truth and all the positives are in Obama's camp but sadly the public often, perhaps usually, isn't swayed by 'facts'. They want to see someone loud and in charge, often the more overbearing the better. And when you have one candidate that doesn't seem to fight back, at least not from an emotional point of view, the 'feeling' is that they are letting themselves be walked all over.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)the truth. EVERYTHING Romney says is a lie and is difficult to listen to. BUT I still think Obama is making a mistake in his delivery and the way he holds himself on stage.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)He also sound like he agrees with the President but he has the better way, even though it is a do nothing but the same old same old.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I'm saying that the assholes often win solely because they speak louder and are unwilling to back down. The nice guy who follows all the rules, and rebuts ALL of his LIES with nothing but the truth but doesn't do so with force and a certain amount of their own contempt are often the ones who lose.
demwing
(16,916 posts)because Romney is either an asshole, or a pussy, and dicks fuck assholes and pussies.
I want our President to fuck Romney up, down, and sidewise
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Obama is ahead enough in the states that matter.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Then yeah, maybe so.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)He hasn't gotten it.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)isn't going as well for Obama as it should.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And this is his supposed strength, the economy. Yeah, right.
loves_dulcinea
(417 posts)Rmoney's sandbagged himself for so long all he had to do was to keep from spewing epithets to make himself come off as a win.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)gotten to me.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)if they possibly can.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)feel like I am watching a different debate. Romney is coming across as too arrogant, it may apeal to his base, the ( RW who are attracted to authoritarian Daddy-figures) but it is going to turn off women and independants. His interupting and taking over just makes him look like an asshole, not a leader. Look at his freaking face on the split screen for gawdsakes, he looks like a guy on trial for putting his neighbor in a wood chipper. Winning? Jeeezus.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)The public by and large DOES want to see someone be a bit of an asshole. I don't mean a TOTAL asshole, but someone who is overconfident and even a bit condescending in their belief in themselves is very attractive to the "masses". And as sad as it is I think it's important not to forget the importance of your image to the "base mass".
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)What's the spin on that, then?
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)nt
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Dumbya didn't do that either, but he won anyway. Obama looks like a president who knows what he's doing. Willard looks like an arrogant jackass who steamrolls anyone and everyone, including allies. Not someone you want handling a crisis of any sort.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The effect of being on stage with the President is helping him.
He hasn't done enough to close the gap. I don't see this being a game changer and he is down ~9% in Ohio right now.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)Just by Obama smiling and being chummy with Romney. But, I still didn't see a human.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)Romney needed a KO and he didn't get this. Obama could have let Romney talk the whole debate. Romney had no zingers and no KO.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)He loses because he comes off like a very unlikable person.
Twitchy evasive dishonest. Lipsmacky.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)aided and abetted by a non-moderating moderator.
Cha
(297,604 posts)in the last minutes to cut off President Obama.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)kerouac2
(449 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)Obama dominated on a level of facts and policy but these things are about style, and he just doesn't seem energetic.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- I've noticed that four of my Facebook friends have "liked" the Mitt Romney page. None of my friends have "liked" the President Obama page in that same time frame. Guess that rather confirms your analysis about what the public responds to.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)third party, but Romney just scared the sh%t out of me. I am voting Obama.
demo dutch
(5,550 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)And I suspect he will tweak his demeanour for the next debate.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Shrill, even.
As if he needs a Zanax... Or something.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)A side effect of that is that Obama's cool and collected attitude next to him, which is the RIGHT attitude btw, comes off looking like he's asleep.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)He's for investment in education, social security, medicare. He's against Obamacare but going to see to it that we all get access to healthcare anyway. He's not for tax cuts for the rich. Hell, if you just lie like that it's not so hard to do well.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)He looked sharp and smooth and lied his balls off with aplomb. President Obama stutters and stammers a lot and let too many opportunities to refute go by. You can tell all that prep paid off.
Sorry, it is what it is.
NiteOwll
(191 posts)walk out to the podium and string together a few coherent sentences to exceed my expectations.
Which one was most presidential? Not Romney. By far.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)so we have a horse race again.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)That said, it was as boring as watching paint peel off of the wall.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Romney was very energized and Obama seemed a bit tired. I was disappointed that Obama wasn't more assertive and really let Romney hold the floor for most of the night. Carville is saying that "Romney looked like he wanted to be there, and Obama looked like he didn't wan't to be there." I agree.
Nevertheless, the campaign is not over and I think Obama needs to be more assertive (and yes, a little bit louder) going forward.
budkin
(6,714 posts)WTF was Obama thinking??