And if Obama's spinners have any sense, that is what they will say.

I do think that has to matter somewhat in the scoring??

which means a dominating personality. An alpha. And broad, general principles that allign with theirs. They're not following a billion here, a study shows that, a trillion for this....

Vagueness worked for Romney in this instance. Obama concentrated on minutiae...most people don't know minutiae. When Romney did mention an actual fact (and it was ALWAYS a lie), Obama didn't call him on it strongly.

Remember how Obama supporters were wanting him to take a strong stand against the obstructionists, but he didn't or wouldn't? Same thing tonight.

Hey, I think Obama is a great President. I don't think he has to be a caveman. But a lot of people in our patriarchal society want a strong "daddy."

Many will see Rmoney's arrogant attempts to dominate in a negative light.

It's not the end of the world.

Only Ds would join in a "consensus" their own guy lost. Rs must love it. They'd say Rmoney won no matter what happened.

He reversed himself on everything he has said over the last 6 months! But they will publicly say he won.

isn't winning.

obama put his election at risk today. he could have destroyed romney, but stood back, and not once called Mitt on his many lies.

we'll see if that ever catches up with him.

On a gut level, most people don't like an arrogant bigmouth who can't play by the rules. (Not everyone out there will know he was lying, but they'll feel that something wasn't right.)

He looked like a guy who just learned he needs a vasectomy.

Romney was attacking him, looking him in the face, the president looked down like a scolded child.

If he doesn't go to the White House or AF1 and smoke 4 packs of cigarettes I'd be a bit surprised.

Go ahead, Sir, after that lying bastard stole all the Dem ideas and pretended he was a Democrat, except for taxing the rich, you deserve a smoke. You can always quit again next week.

and contrast it to what Romney said while campaigning for the nomination. Maybe even bring up etch a sketch.

He doesn't share well, and the more he talks
the more damage he does to his case.

We don't want someone who is going to come unhinged at every challenge he faces as president.

In fact he came of entirely untrustworthy

n/t

Obama creams this fucker. I can't believe what I watched tonight. What moderator? There wasn't one. Romney was an out of control loud mouth psychopath!

Will be exposed!

Romney lies and lies!

valuable distinction. I had to turn it off after an hour - couldn't stand Willard's incoherent speedfreak rambling and nonstop lying.

Domination is how they judge who wins.

Tonight was a wasted opportunity, if not an affirmative blow to the reelection campaign.

1. RMoney has dramatically shifted to a centerest position supporting programs for the working poor, students, and the elderly - which will cause his Tea Party followers and corporate masters to implode

Or

2. He lied his ass off and hopes no one will notice until its too late.

It will take some time to reliably fact check and get down into the substance of what was said.

To many of them it is the same thing.

This isn't going to a panel of judges that will be accounting for rules, validity, or veracity but rather to a lot of people who are pretty much doing an eye test.

Getting dominated in this arena is not a winning formula no matter how utterly full of shit and hopped up the other guy is. You are trying to attract a pretty fickle sliver of the electorate and control the media cycle. You do no favors giving the any thought that the opposition is an equal. The people tend to be impressed by an aura of command in an incumbent, appearing Presidential is what one strives for when they are seeking the office, a different vibe is called for when you've done the job for four years.

..when so much is at stake. And as someone said above..to the low info voter...domination is what matters, sad but true.