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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:45 AM Oct 2012

The Real Reason the US Fears Iranian Nukes

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Every now and then, they reveal the real reason: Iranian nuclear weapons would prevent the US from attacking Iran at will, and that is what is intolerable. The latest person to unwittingly reveal the real reason for viewing an Iranian nuclear capacity as unacceptable was GOP Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the US's most reliable and bloodthirsty warmongers.

On Monday, Graham spoke in North Augusta, South Carolina, and was asked about the way in which sanctions were harming ordinary Iranians. Ayman Hossam Fadel was present and recorded the exchange. Answering that question, Graham praised President Obama for threatening Iran with war over nuclear weapons, decreed that "the Iranian people should be willing to suffer now for a better future," and then - invoking the trite neocon script that is hauled out whenever new wars are being justified - analogized Iranian nukes to Hitler in the 1930s. But in the middle of his answer, he explained the real reason Iranian nuclear weapons should be feared:

"They have two goals: one, regime survival. The best way for the regime surviving, in their mind, is having a nuclear weapon, because when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you."
Graham added that the second regime goal is "influence", that "people listen to you" when you have a nuclear weapon. In other words, we cannot let Iran acquire nuclear weapons because if they get them, we can no longer attack them when we want to and can no longer bully them in their own region.
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The Real Reason the US Fears Iranian Nukes (Original Post) eridani Oct 2012 OP
PG&E Nukes are more of a threat than Iran's. Downwinder Oct 2012 #1
It's Way More Than This Iggy Oct 2012 #2
Reasons Two and Three: no_hypocrisy Oct 2012 #3
Libya today Dokkie Oct 2012 #4
Libya should be a lesson to others: surrender is not an opiton yurbud Oct 2012 #9
"when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you." obxhead Oct 2012 #5
No country attacked us n2doc Oct 2012 #7
I know the difference. obxhead Oct 2012 #8
By Washington logic about other countries, we just need ONE nuke to not only yurbud Oct 2012 #10
If Iran builds nukes they'll do the same exact thing ours do. obxhead Oct 2012 #11
Yep. (nt) harmonicon Oct 2012 #6
Thats why I've said it and will keep saying it madokie Oct 2012 #12
 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
2. It's Way More Than This
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:06 AM
Oct 2012

never trust anything Graham says... it's never the whole story.

in the mideast region, three's a crowd. there's already two major powers in the region: Israel and
the Kingdom (Saudi Arabia). Iran is not a part of the "club". They had the balls to get rid of
a U.S. installed puppet (the Shah) years ago, remember?

and keep in mind it's ALL about money/business/weapons.

there's already a "great" deal going for the U.S. and the two major players-- the Sauds have billions
of petrol dollars (many earned from selling oil to US) which they spend a great deal on weapons/fighter
jets manufactured right here in the good ol' USA. very sweet deal.

Even sweeter since the Kingdom doesn't actually have to use these weapons-- we, their servants take
care of the messes in the mideast-- like getting rid of Hussein, etc.

Israel does the same with the Billions in "aid" we give them year after year.

because Iran had the balls to push against the U.S.-- they can't be trusted. in fact, Israel and
the U.S. fear Iran, not because of potential nukes, but simply because of the size of the country--
population-wise. they obviously represent a huge potential economic power-- which could "upset the
balance" in the ME region; i.e. have an impact on the economics described above.

how the U.S. initially handled the revolution in Egypt was instructive as to just how much we
value keeping the status quo (business deals) in place.




no_hypocrisy

(46,180 posts)
3. Reasons Two and Three:
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:23 AM
Oct 2012

The U.S. will not be able to dominate Iran again and take its oil as its own. One less colony.

 

Dokkie

(1,688 posts)
4. Libya today
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:31 AM
Oct 2012

is kicking itself for giving up their nuclear program. Qaddafi mingling with the crowd at the G20 summit thinking its nice being a part of the international community again, not knowing that he is being setup. But other countries can learn something from Libya and that is start a nuclear weapons program if you don't have one already and never and I mean never give it up.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. Libya should be a lesson to others: surrender is not an opiton
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oct 2012

Qaddafi's problem was he didn't realize his surrender had to be unconditional (to the bankers and oil companies). As soon as they realized it wasn't, they started sharpening that knife they sodomized him with.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
5. "when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you."
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:23 AM
Oct 2012

That's why the WTC is missing from the NY skyline today. Because nobody attacks countries that have nukes.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. No country attacked us
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:22 AM
Oct 2012

a group of terrorists attacked us. Trying to conflate the two? You sound a lot like Cheney.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
8. I know the difference.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

However, he didn't say no country attacks another with nuclear weapons.

It could be inferred, but that's not what was said.

You could take this reasoning further as well. If nobody attacks a nuclear armed country, why the hell do we spend trillions building weapons to fight conventional wars? We're not under any threat from another nation if nukes make us so safe.

Thanks for comparing me to Cheney though. Glad you know me so very well.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. By Washington logic about other countries, we just need ONE nuke to not only
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

deter other countries but also to blackmail the entire world.

So why isn't Putin wearing a tutu and Chavez down on all fours barking like a dog?

Because it is all lies.

Like you said, nukes have a very, very narrow practical use: deterring others from attacking you with nukes.

It hasn't seemed to stop us from interfering with Pakistan although we are being far more circumspect about it than other countries.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
11. If Iran builds nukes they'll do the same exact thing ours do.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:20 PM
Oct 2012

Sit in missile silos (or bombs, or trucks, whatever) and gather dust.

It's a pointless weapon. If they're ever used again, in an act of war, I doubt many of us will be able to talk about it much. There will likely be very few of us left to discuss the stupidity of it all.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. Thats why I've said it and will keep saying it
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

IF I WAS IRAN I'D WANT THE BOMB TOO.
sorry 'bout the screaming

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