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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:30 AM Oct 2012

whatever the "strategery" was, it looked to this progressives like Obama pulled punches

Like once again, Democratic politicians are asking us to bust our ass, give our money, and show up to vote, only to see our candidate not bother to punch an opponent with a glass jaw.

Most frustrating for me was the health care debate when Romney said he and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pushed it through without a single Republican vote instead of working in a bipartisan way. Obama correctly mentioned that his plan was exactly what Romney did in Massachussetts, and a Republican idea, but failed to mention the Republicans in Congress refused to vote for their own idea. He not only could have made Romney look like a liar, but all the Republicans in Congress look like petulant petty sociopaths. In one sentence, he could have helped every Democrat running for the House and Senate.

And that could have killed whatever advantage Republicans thought they would gain through that strategy of obstruction.

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villager

(26,001 posts)
2. Which has been exactly the problem progressives have had with Obama's entire first term
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

All "pulled punches," keeping powder dry, not wanting to rock the boat, and not enough passion for line-in-the-sand stands.

Unfortunately all that was reflected in Obama's debate performance last night.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
4. That is all true
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:43 AM
Oct 2012

I don't remember Obama doing a very good job in debates in 2008 either. He even threw ACORN under the bus in 2008, which I found extremely frustrating.

It is Obama's job to fight for us. Anyone who can't fight shouldn't run for president.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. Democrats can move with incredible speed and conviction on some things
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:51 PM
Oct 2012

like trade deals, wars, and Wall Street bailouts.

Oddly, the hedging and "keeping powder dry" only seems to happen with stuff that will help regular folks.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
6. the only reasonable if not acceptable explanation is who owns the camera
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

If a Democrat or anyone for that matter lands a haymaker on the glass jaw of what the wealthy elite want, even if it is on live TV, it will be like it never happened. It will never be mentioned again, so folks who didn't see it won't know it happened, and people who did see it will eventually wonder if it did and then forget about it.

I wondered why no one in Congress asked the obvious questions before the Iraq War like "Even if Saddam Hussein GETS nukes, how the hell could that be a threat to us since it would be suicidal to use them?"

It frustrated me so much I dug around in the congressional record to find the handful of people who did, Kucinich, Ron Paul, and several others, only to have the question come out of their mouths, fall to the floor, get swept up by the janitor and tossed in the trash.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
7. Maybe somebody needs to say, "Pretend Romney is a PROGRESSIVE"
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:53 AM
Oct 2012

And then he will take the appropriate adversarial tone.

gordianot

(15,243 posts)
8. He is a powder keg waiting to blow.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Oct 2012

I am certain he did last night what he has done his entire life and does not expect to be challenged. Call it what you like he is a "magical thinker". My experience with these types they cannot be challenged when they are in the "rationalization" mode. He has a short fuse to his powder keg; wife Ann, his kids, Seamus, undocumented grounds workers, long haired peers, blind teachers, victims of harvesting assets, have all seen this side of him. Without speculating on specific personality disorders it is there waiting to be brought to light.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. if that is the case, it would have taken only the slightest of real push back from Obama
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:53 PM
Oct 2012

to finish him off.

A couple of carefully chosen words, calmly said.

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