about this story. It is rare that DU isn't on top of a story!

Also Curent folks and Randi! And Normam Goldman. Who else?

They'll cover it, especially if they get lots of us telling them about it.

MUST GO VIRAL!!

Can't do on my FB ... republican friends / family wouldn't appreciate!

I know I've stayed off FB for a bit, but once in a while.... they get a blast from me.

I love them dearly, but it don't mean I'm going to stand by and watch them drink the koolaid without telling them they are not doing themselves any favors.

All the chatter has really slowed there ...

Anyway, I guess crib notes have been downgraded to hankie!

Cheatin' turd.

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while this may have been notes ie do not forget to kill big bird it also might just be a handkerchief, let us let the right go postal over the UE #s, no need to promote our own conspiracy theory today.

Unless you are a right winger and have no respect for facts and proof.

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If you noticed my title "breaking news a known liar cheats" my point is he did not need notes to lie he is very good at lying. I looked at the "proof" and all I can say is it maybe notes or notes on a hanky or just a hanky. If you think pushing this story will help our cause then go for it, for myself I feel that the big story today is the UE # and watching the right go bat shit crazy over them. In any case I am no right winger and I do respect for facts and proof I also respect the DU posters as well. No need to call someone who see things differently a right winger.

That's what we are doing. There is enough curious activity to warrant a request for the truth.

It is important to know if a man running for President of The United States is a bold ass cheat. It speaks a lot about character.

We have found something questionable and we need more answers than the "hankie" one. The hankie appears to only be a cover.

And most of us here can cover both the unemployment news and the question of foul play at the same time without need to focus on just one.

If you are being called names, I apologize. Happens a lot to newbies because of a known troll problem.

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In my mind if we are going to follow this line of attack the key point is not that MittWhit brought "notes" but that he can not be trusted because he broke his word by breaking the agreed upon rules by bring something to the stage. That fits the narrative that Romoney lies and can not be trusted, but if we get side tracked into a debate as to was it notes or a hanky we risk getting caught in the weeds and lose focus on Mitt's character.

Countdown.

I am happy that you got so much enjoyment from my spelling mistakes.

Please I can't laugh this loud at work.

Handkerchiefs don't bounce when you put them down. Looks like a tablet to me.

and it is my turn!
honesty, playing by the rules. chuckle, chuckle. i wouldn't be much of a president if i did that.

I wonder how the Mormons feel with him as their spokesperson. Can't be good.

this is SOP

all is good.
http://www.exmormon.org/lying.htm
http://www.december212012.com/articles/religion/2012-%20White-Horse%20-Prophecy.htm

i honestly believe that it IS his religion that makes it possible for romney to lie, lie, and lie some more and never feel an iota of shame.

THAT is the image that can go viral.

We need someone to have a good shot of that, or the ability to get a crystal clear image off video.

I'm afraid it's not clear enough there, though.

The circumstantial evidence, though, imo, is very strong.

Unless it's a CARDBOARD hanky. Bullshit! That clears it up for me, thanks Fla Dem! Good job!

the end of the video, after they gather on stage,

Very suspicious. Head on over to the other thread and check it out.

At 1:32:39 Romney goes back to the podium to get his cheat sheet and hide the evidence of his GROSS INTENTIONAL VIOLATION of the rules he agreed to abide by.

[link: http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events/Presidential-Debate-on-Domestic-Policy/10737434292/|

further down than the original.

Thanks

check out the very end from when he tries to gather his paperwork but realizes he doesn't have enough time and instead covers them, then a little later he goes to get them.

http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events/Presidential-Debate-on-Domestic-Policy/10737434292/

Thank you for the effort. I'll catch it on YouTube, or someplace else later. I'm sure it will be posted again, and again, soon.

I'll use our resident teen computer whiz's laptop when he gets home from high school, it's armed for bear.

are talking about it.

with the existing blank paper in order to slide them out? Cover your ass by then showing the "hanky wiping your shit grin off your face."
Total slight of hand then handover to son to hide the evidence. Sort of like off-shoring your money and jobs.

when he wiped his upper lip at the end. See my post number 106 (just below yours) for my theory on that.

I had not read through all the posts yet when I wrote mine...

It was just as you have described.

Highly suspicious that he goes back to the podium like that to gather up his stuff, while the POTUS just leaves his things there and walks off the stage w/the First Lady.

Another thing I noticed, that does not seem to have been brought up, is what happened when the families were gathered there together talking. There was a tall man in a suit, not sure if it was one of Romney's sons or perhaps a campaign worker, but in any event, he was clearly w/the Romneys. I noticed him apparently glancing at the podium for a second or two, perhaps to make sure the evidence was not in full view. If Romney did have a cheat sheet, this guy may have known about it, and it might have been pre-planned that he cover it up (or grab it) if necessary. Of course this is pure speculation, since he took no action... may have just been glancing out of curiosity for all we know.

One thing I do wonder about though, is this: Could it be possible that what we saw Romney pull out of his pocket in the beginning be both a hankie and a cheat sheet? One side blank, the other w/notes perhaps? The reason I say this is because at about the 1.25.00 mark, when the President was making his final remarks, I saw Romney wipe his upper lip with what appeared to be a folded paper napkin. It looked consistent with (half) the size of whatever it was he had pulled out of his pocket in the beginning.

Romney may very well had been finished with his notes at that point, because all he had left to do was make his final remarks. It might have been pre-planned that he fold it up then to further hide it, and to create plausible deniability by using it like a hanky, just in case anyone picked up on what he was doing at both the beginning and end.

Even when it seemed awkward given all the people there and his getting in the way? He seemed to stay right at his side which I found awkward. As if he was glued to him. His son had a great poker face also after getting the items, swiftly also. I read total smirkiness and coolness on his son's face. Like "hey we pulled it off, aren't we so smart".

Jim Lehrer needs to stand up now, after the fact, and call out Romney on this cheating.

It is total sleazeball cheating.

Americans do not want a cheater and liar anywhere near the White House.

Freak Republicans and their degenerate "values"

however, this round I'll take obama over willard. after eight years of little boots, who LIED us into iraq, thousands of soldiers wounded, dead and thousands of civilians-I'm not taking a chance with another sociopathic repug.

every time I see these yahoos in washington, I think of the film "canadian bacon." what we have is an overblown MIC who seems to be there more for any global corporation's interest than this country or the american people.

little boots started the boulder rolling down hill, hopefully it will be stopped before we actually replay the roman economic tragedy where the plebes get the shaft and the plutocracy become even more greedy compassionless arseholes.

Maybe you should make a thread on it. This one is about the debates and the possibility that Rmoney cheated.

(sarcasm) That Son of a Biscuit cheerly enjoyed firing Lehrer...but he likes him. That says it all...not to mention pissing in the Cherios of 3 generations of kids.

And whoever on here suggested he was on Adderall...that's what I thought, too. He has brain damage (not to take anything away from the normal entitled arrogant asshole that he is naturally) from the accident and Adderall supposedly helps balance out. I took it for a short while, and that's exactly what happens. It works for a while, it hypes your nervous energy, but coming down is brutal.

People need to know. The freaking corporate media needs to report this.

Journalistic silence -- in the face of this blatant lowdown cheating -- is collaboration.

It went to all the major news outlets, fake outlets, and many talking heads. It's out there.

I thought Obama was writing stuff down?

which were on the podium already. Romney pulled out his own paper as he approached.

one with the camera on him from that moment he threw whatever that was on to the podium leading to the first question, because that will show his next movement, which should be him opening whatever it is he threw on the podium.

those cameras at the back, shouldn't they be focused on them at all time?


On Edit:
Link you provided does not have a video.

unless they're ISOed (isolated and taped to an independent deck) they're only recorded during the period they're on-air.

in the dark shadow area weren't on them at all times, is that right?

but the only people who would have seen what happened would be the camera ops and the control room people who are watching the feed. The point is, those feeds aren't recorded unless they're taken to by the switcher and fed into the program line (i.e., what goes out over air or to the record deck).

nt

your advice is altogether apt.

"A review of the debate tape reveals that, apparently, Mitt Romney needed a cheat sheet to keep the lies straight."

I just want to see another angle, to ensure this is real because if it is, this could be very damning for his campaign and the republicans which will be catastrophic for them. (not that I give a damn) I want to be sure before jumping on this.

so that other views, angles might surface that will give us a better view.

There is also video after the debates when he retrieved his cheat sheet, er um hankie.

A little to conspiracyish.

that went nowhere

however, on second thought, that was before Twitter and social media exploded. So maybe this will just be one more thing that needs explaining and when you're 'splaining, you're losin'.

They've been doing this forever, and failed to recognize that now everything is on film somewhere

And they probably chuckle amongst themselves afterwards. Freepers would admire this if they believed it.

No rules apply to this despicable ReTHUG

How can anyone ever respect this sleezeball? He is a pathological liar, a cheat and a scoundrel.

That's damned pitiful. With his money, I would have at least expected him to have his cheat sheets tattooed on the inside of his eyelids.

Since (a) lying is hard work, and (b) "hard work" doesn't appear to be in Romney's DNA, it would seem that (c) he would have to have been telling the truth. Yet we know that (d) he was lying his ass off. "How do I resolve this apparent contradiction?" I asked myself, while sipping on my favorite meditating beverage, Guinness Extra Stout with a side shot of tequila.

After my third meditating beverage, I derived the answer: I have concluded that (e) lying is so ingrained in him that it's effortless. Q.E.D. He may even find it fun, as evidenced by his perma-smirk throughout the event.

That, or his penchant for eating babies confers some immunity, but I don't want to be the one spreading unverified rumors.

where there appeared to be some type of listening device attached to the great mindless emperor. If he did have a cheat sheet, he must have mistakenly stated 43 million unemployed, when it actually is something like twelve million. or maybe, his cheat sheet was just full of bullshite that his trainers created.

Before the debate there were several discussions about Romney's debate ritual. That piece of paper was mentioned before the debate by the Atlantic. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/10/03/tonight-mitt-romney-will-write-dad-on-a-piece-of-paper-to-remind-himself-of-his-father (Not that I'm trying to pooh-pooh....but this was already out there so it's not really a "gotcha".)

sorry.

I just didn't want anyone to look stupid putting it out there when it's already been vetted prior to the debate. Whether you believe it or not is up to you, but you should be informed about something before you just throw it out there. At least, that's the way I feel about it. Otherwise, it gives fodder to the other side.

"I just didn't want anyone to look stupid" "it gives fodder to the other side." I don't have anything else to say!!!!!!!!!!

I thought it was a rather stupid thing to say, but I was trying to say that in a "nice" way. Apparently, that's not the way people "roll" here. Next time, I'll be more blunt and just say "You really shouldn't set yourself up to look stupid by reporting something that has already been shot down. We don't need a circle jerk. We've got enough real solid facts on our side without trying to create some kind of looney conspiracy theory."

Better?

Because he'll never be able to write "Dad" on another piece of paper?

Well, okay, then.

He could have written "Forgive me, Dad, I'm a scummy cheat," on the paper already in place on the podium.

calling this an handkerchief

He remembers his papers, goes back and does alot of folding and fiddling. (The big papers are what they given to write notes).Goes back to the group, nervously tries to stuff them in right and left breast pockets, don't fit, so he shoves them off onto his son.

Very odd and awkward how he rushed back to his lectern as Lehrer climbed the stage. And the fiddling with the papers and handing off of them to his son. Now it makes sense. If anyone somehow discovers the cheat notes at this point, he can feign innocence and claim they must be his son's. Note the grandiose gesturing and heart-palming afterward, almost as if he's trying to divert attention from his son now that said son has the papers in his possession.

Fucking cheat and liar.

At that point there's nobody but Romneys left. Whatever she said, she definitely looks "in on it" though.

It's as plain as a pikestaff. Not a hanky, NOTES.

Big surprise, asshole with entitlement issue OPENLY cheats on the biggest stage of his life.

as Romney stated, where do you think they learned that? So what would make you expect anything less than the sneakiest from this guy?

That does not look like a handkerchief.

Would someone really need a list of lies ?

Very strange indeed.

It looks like a hankerchief to me.

On the other hand, maybe is was soaked in acid, Hendrix style? Now that would be awesome.

the son he hands off the papers to, gives him a look (about 1:41) as they walk off, like they just pulled off a bank job. Also, the C-Span end of debate clip has a big blue banner at the bottom, so you can't see Romney fiddling with (folding?) the papers as he retrieves them. The AlJezeera video has no banner.

AJazeera no blue banner

How fucking sad.

Cheating is perfect alignment with Robme's moral character, but then cheating is and has been done and dismissed by Republicans for as long as I can remember. It's what they do, like a virus killing it's host. There's bigger fish to fry on today's menu, not the least which is the jobs numbers. The other thought that comes to mind, is that what magical piece of info could have a "cheat sheet" have contained that really would have been significant? Hey I could be wrong.

He didn't even try to hide it all that well. What an arrogant evil miserable excuse for a human being.

in the debate.

But the actions AFTER the debate were what called more attention to Romney's actions BEFORE the debate.

The interactions between Romney/Anne/Romney sons and "the paper" is what was suspicious.

the hot potato paper exchange at the end.

The two really do form a much more complete picture.

Sidenote: In the original epic romney cheat-gate thread, I found the photo in my siggie there. It really shows that this was not a hanky and IF only people would look closer look at this particular photo, it is obvious something on the podium doesn't belong.

We're questioning Romney's credibility and character - win-win as far as I'm concerned.

Hope people don't let him off so easily.

What good are notes if you don't look at them? He was staring at the President the entire time.

Mitt Romney picked up a number of sheets of paper when he went to the podium to collect his notes after the debate. It doesn't showing him tearing the paper from the pad.

The aid that picked up Obama's notes picked up the whole pad.

When did Romney tear sheets off the pad? Or were they the sheets he laid down and unfolded?

I don't really think it matters if he cheated, but I do love a good mystery.

So do I.

Romney has single sheets of paper that he picked up and folded. Obama's aid picked up a whole note pad. When did Romney tear those sheets of paper from the pad?