Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

CousinIT

(9,327 posts)
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:11 AM Jan 2021

Fiona Hill: Trump DID try to stage a coup using our military. US military refused.



A chilling revelation from the wise and informed Fiona Hill, Trump’s former Russia advisor. Now we know exactly why all the living former Secretaries of Defense suddenly called on the military to refrain from political involvement. They knew Trump’s attempted coup was underway.

93 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Fiona Hill: Trump DID try to stage a coup using our military. US military refused. (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2021 OP
If there is a "next time" for these insurrectionists... luv2fly Jan 2021 #1
It's the not-so-fine troops that we need to worry about Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #8
Exactly. onetexan Jan 2021 #10
Not to mention... Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #11
What? COL Mustard Jan 2021 #18
Retired Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #24
He should be ordered back to duty, busted, and lose his military pension Submariner Jan 2021 #33
And especially access to tax-payer funded health care Fritz Walter Jan 2021 #49
Recall him NHvet Jan 2021 #52
Thank You For The Update COL Mustard Jan 2021 #58
I Will Go Out On A Limb COL Mustard Jan 2021 #63
Screw the training, how about he freakin' oath he took when he was commissioned? Rural_Progressive Jan 2021 #74
Yeah, Well, He'll Probably Say He Was Keeping It COL Mustard Jan 2021 #75
Lots of folks in the confederacy said the same thing Rural_Progressive Jan 2021 #82
+10 -Thnx for the update! nt reACTIONary Jan 2021 #60
USAFA grad and F-22 driver, brother Aviation Pro Jan 2021 #55
Just Goes To Show You That COL Mustard Jan 2021 #62
Plus Erik Prince's mercenaries. tblue37 Jan 2021 #41
Of course Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #42
But those guys don't work for free. Trueblue Texan Jan 2021 #93
Um... after Wednesday, that eager trust is no longer an option. calimary Jan 2021 #59
If you.look at the tweets farther wnylib Jan 2021 #71
"If" ? soldierant Jan 2021 #85
I'm concerned that a number of them will sabotage the effort... DSandra Jan 2021 #89
Very chilling. North Shore Chicago Jan 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author CousinIT Jan 2021 #30
I wonder if Biden could re-hire Fiona Hill? She is a brilliant and patriotic American. NT CottonBear Jan 2021 #3
rehire them and give them Medals of Freedom. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2021 #57
Thank you, IT Leghorn21 Jan 2021 #4
So, the only reason this looked like a blithering idiot coup Baitball Blogger Jan 2021 #5
Thank God housecat Jan 2021 #17
very true. mdbl Jan 2021 #31
It is obvious this was a coup attempt, whether we see any justice is another thing beachbumbob Jan 2021 #6
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #7
Thank you for sharing MyOwnPeace Jan 2021 #15
I don't do much with it except pass on Tweets I see on DU Rhiannon12866 Jan 2021 #20
Wow! kentuck Jan 2021 #9
Glossing over this means zentrum Jan 2021 #12
I'd rather they were "Truth and Retribution" trials. erronis Jan 2021 #77
i'm struggling to suppress what I want to say right now because I don't want to get in trouble TomDaisy Jan 2021 #13
No surprise there. Every day next 12 days we are under constant threat onetexan Jan 2021 #14
Attempt a coup on Wednesday mountain grammy Jan 2021 #16
Can't recall who it was interviewed on TV but they Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #32
Yep, get him out ASAP mountain grammy Jan 2021 #48
To deaf ears on November 15, 2017, when trump approval Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #64
Yep, they laid it all out for all to see. mountain grammy Jan 2021 #67
If we are pretty sure Republicans won't vote to convict then Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #69
Agree! Stand up for what's right mountain grammy Jan 2021 #73
I agree TryLogic Jan 2021 #86
Pence has not ruled out True Blue American Jan 2021 #92
Well duh, twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #19
We truly have to arrest that orange mofo tinrobot Jan 2021 #21
Remember, he pardoned the Dave in VA Jan 2021 #22
The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance PirateRo Jan 2021 #23
The rethugs tried it with Smedley Butler burrowowl Jan 2021 #61
Is Trump clever enough to concoct this scheme on his own? dmkinsey Jan 2021 #25
I agree. I've been wondering since Wednesday who planned and coordinated this. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #28
I'm thinking more like Putin dmkinsey Jan 2021 #39
My gut tells me it's Michael Flynn Trailrider1951 Jan 2021 #70
But we know that Flynn was in constant correspondence with the Kremlin. erronis Jan 2021 #78
of course not. Ligyron Jan 2021 #29
Miller and Bannon Wawannabe Jan 2021 #51
Miller was the one who was unresponsive when... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #79
I've been wondering the same thing utopian Jan 2021 #54
Indeed. dalton99a Jan 2021 #26
They didn't prevent the acting secretary of defense form being involved BainsBane Jan 2021 #27
This should be getting way more coverage malaise Jan 2021 #34
Putin miscalculated .... his advice didn't work AmericanCanuck Jan 2021 #35
He seems to do a lot of that (miscalculation). Only way to stay in power is through violence erronis Jan 2021 #80
From what I have seen the Pentagon was involved in this attempted coup. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #36
Gov. of Maryland stated the Sec. of Defense Trump installed delayed NG deployment randr Jan 2021 #40
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #43
Yup. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #45
Current Secretary of Defense doesn't call it an insurrection. halfulglas Jan 2021 #87
Yes. "... without explicit approval from Trump's defense secretary". Why Esper was fired Nov 9 Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #46
When I saw all those Secretaries of Defense come out with a united front I knew something was up. patphil Jan 2021 #37
+1 c-rational Jan 2021 #47
For the visually impaired ? left-of-center2012 Jan 2021 #38
tRump fired Esper Nov 9 because he would not go along. Had tRump loyalist as Chief of Capitol Police Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #44
And Sund has named his resignation date as... Wawannabe Jan 2021 #53
He is waiting for the second wave Wawannabe Jan 2021 #50
Where was Flynn? roscoeroscoe Jan 2021 #56
Unfortunately the DOD "refrain from political involvement"... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #65
Alex Jones, himself, boasting about Trump involvement in planning. Alex4Martinez Jan 2021 #66
An hour an half being denied the NG by the DOD and finally an army person approved sending NG. LizBeth Jan 2021 #68
That is a prosecution I don't see as ever being brought, let alone won and punished. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #72
And that's a pity because they'll keep on trying and killing in the name of white supremacy. erronis Jan 2021 #81
Doesn't this fall under the category of Treason? n/t AntiFascist Jan 2021 #76
after he called them idiots and babies? bet he didnt have many friends in the pentagon KG Jan 2021 #83
There should be vigilence against fascists for the period ahead. David__77 Jan 2021 #84
Trump really thought it would work Skittles Jan 2021 #88
K&R TigressDem Jan 2021 #90
I've heard, read, that a large number of people with guns, probably ARs and such, fwvinson Jan 2021 #91

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
1. If there is a "next time" for these insurrectionists...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jan 2021

... I'll put my money on our fine troops to squash it.

Cirque du So-What

(26,092 posts)
8. It's the not-so-fine troops that we need to worry about
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jan 2021

From the likes of Michael Flynn to the war criminals rump recently pardoned. I gave up blind trust in 'troops' long ago. There are corruptible humans in any organization or institution.

Cirque du So-What

(26,092 posts)
11. Not to mention...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jan 2021

the 'fine troops' who participated in the Capitol insurrection this week. One was an Air Force Lt. Col., if I recall.

COL Mustard

(6,067 posts)
18. What?
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jan 2021

I’m a retired Army Lt. Colonel. Please tell me that an active duty officer wasn’t participating......

Cirque du So-What

(26,092 posts)
24. Retired
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:46 AM
Jan 2021

Viddy well, COL Mustard. Viddy well.

An Air Force Combat Veteran Breached the Senate



As insurrectionists stormed the U.S. Capitol this week, a few figures stood out. One man, clad in a combat helmet, body armor, and other tactical gear, was among the group that made it to the inner reaches of the building. Carrying zip-tie handcuffs, he was captured in photographs and videos on the Senate floor and with a group that descended on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite. In a video shot by ITV News, he is seen standing against a wall adjacent to Pelosi’s office, his face covered by a bandana. At another point, he appears to exit the suite, face exposed, pushing his way through the crowds of demonstrators.

A day after the riots, John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab, at the University of Toronto’s Munk School, notified the F.B.I. that he suspected the man was retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., a Texas-based Air Force Academy graduate and combat veteran. Scott-Railton had been trying to identify various people involved in the attack. “I used a number of techniques to hone in on his identity, including facial recognition and image enhancement, as well as seeking contextual clues from his military paraphernalia,” Scott-Railton told me. Brock was wearing several patches on his combat helmet and body armor, including one bearing a yellow fleur de lis, the insignia of the 706th Fighter Squadron. He also wore several symbols suggesting that he lived in Texas, including a vinyl tag of the Texas flag overlaid on the skull logo of the Punisher, the Marvel comic-book character. The Punisher has been adopted by police and Army groups and, more recently, by white supremacists and followers of QAnon. Scott-Railton also found a recently deleted Twitter account associated with Brock, with a Crusader as its avatar. “All those things together, it’s like looking at a person’s C.V.,” Scott-Railton said.

Two family members and a longtime friend said that Brock’s political views had grown increasingly radical in recent years. Bill Leake, who flew with Brock in the Air Force for a decade, said that he had distanced himself from Brock. “I don’t contact him anymore ’cause he’s gotten extreme,” Leake told me. In recent years, Brock had become an increasingly committed supporter of Donald Trump, frequently wearing a Make America Great Again hat. In the days leading up to the siege of the Capitol, Brock had posted to social media about his plans to travel to Washington, D.C., to participate in Trump’s “Save America” rally. Brock’s family members said that he called himself a patriot, and that his expressions of that identity had become increasingly strident. One recalled “weird rage talk, basically, saying he’s willing to get in trouble to defend what he thinks is right, which is Trump being the President, I guess.” Both family members said that Brock had made racist remarks in their presence and that they believed white-supremacist views may have contributed to his motivations.

In an interview, Brock confirmed that he was the man in the photos and videos. He denied that he held racist views and echoed Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud, saying that he derived his understanding of the matter principally from social media. He told me that he had gone to Washington, D.C., to demonstrate peacefully. “The President asked for his supporters to be there to attend, and I felt like it was important, because of how much I love this country, to actually be there,” he said. Brock added that he did not identify as part of any organized group and claimed that, despite the scenes of destruction that day, he had seen no violence. When he arrived at the Capitol, he said, he assumed he was welcome to enter the building.

more...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-air-force-combat-veteran-breached-the-senate

Carrying flexible cuffs. Sounds like he planned on taking some hostages.

Fritz Walter

(4,301 posts)
49. And especially access to tax-payer funded health care
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jan 2021

...except what's available at the dispensary at Ft. Leavenworth.

No TriCare (formerly CHAMPUS) which provides DoD-funded civilian health care.
No access to military or VA facilities or programs.

When he dies, no USA flag on the coffin or military honors.

Make an example of him!

NHvet

(242 posts)
52. Recall him
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

If he is retired and not separated, which it seems, he can be recalled, brought up on charges under the UCMJ, stripped of his rank and forfeiture of pay. Especially as a commissioned officer. Retirement is whole different ballgame in the military compared to the civilian world.

COL Mustard

(6,067 posts)
58. Thank You For The Update
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jan 2021

I guess he forgot the training he got at USAFA, at taxpayer expense. I hope he's prosecuted for what he did and that there are consequences. As retired members, we're still subject to the UCMJ under certain circumstances, so I'll leave it to others to determine what happens to him. I don't know when he graduated from USAFA or how long he's been retired, but this can get real interesting.

COL Mustard

(6,067 posts)
63. I Will Go Out On A Limb
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jan 2021

And say I sincerely hope there were no active duty troops there in any capacity, or any current civil service employees. But I wouldn't be surprised if both groups were represented. The stupid runs strong in the Trump crowd.

COL Mustard

(6,067 posts)
75. Yeah, Well, He'll Probably Say He Was Keeping It
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 04:59 PM
Jan 2021

And the rest of us who don't agree with him are traitors or some such.

smdh

Aviation Pro

(12,317 posts)
55. USAFA grad and F-22 driver, brother
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jan 2021

Makes me wonder how many DOL and Calico Jack patches were floating around.

calimary

(81,763 posts)
59. Um... after Wednesday, that eager trust is no longer an option.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:14 PM
Jan 2021

I can’t say I’m comfortable betting my representatives lives on that anymore.

We have to hose down our law enforcement AND troops of embedded white supremacist domestic terrorists.

wnylib

(21,983 posts)
71. If you.look at the tweets farther
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 03:14 PM
Jan 2021

down in that link, past the replies to the linked tweet, there are reports of planned insurrectionist rallies for the inauguration, beginning with Jan 17 and 19. Some of those tweets provide links to posts at RW media sites. One RW site post in particular calls it the Million Militia March and brags that there will be more armed militia people there than any army can deal with. The stated goal is to prevent any "Communist Democrat" from getting near the White House. The intent is to take over DC completely and halt the government from operating unless or until Trump is confirmed as the "reelected president?"

One later tweet suggests that might be why Trump is not going to be at the inauguration - to avoid being harmed during the violence that he knows is planned.

DSandra

(1,004 posts)
89. I'm concerned that a number of them will sabotage the effort...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 08:44 PM
Jan 2021

Given that they put their loyalty to Trump first.

North Shore Chicago

(3,406 posts)
2. Very chilling.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:15 AM
Jan 2021

Why is he still walking around a free man? So maddening he seemingly DOES seem to get away with everything, including but not limited to murder.

Response to North Shore Chicago (Reply #2)

Leghorn21

(13,529 posts)
4. Thank you, IT
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:16 AM
Jan 2021

I was thinking about her and Masha Yovanovitch and Alexander Vindman and their compatriots last night...

thanks for posting, sending around

Baitball Blogger

(46,866 posts)
5. So, the only reason this looked like a blithering idiot coup
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jan 2021

Was because only blithering idiots answered his call for revolution.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
31. very true.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

seems only stupid people were those that answered con-man's calling. The less-stupid ones stayed home.

MyOwnPeace

(16,975 posts)
15. Thank you for sharing
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jan 2021

the different "Twitter" postings. Some of us, like me and Donnie, can't see them because we are not subscribed or have been banned (I've not been banned.....)

Rhiannon12866

(208,060 posts)
20. I don't do much with it except pass on Tweets I see on DU
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jan 2021

But when I read the replies, there are times I see something that's so spot on that I have to share it back here.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
12. Glossing over this means
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jan 2021

…..it will arise again. It just goes underground. Like the true history of this country—the civil war doesn't really end.

We need Truth and Reconciliation trials and the rewriting of every damn history book.

erronis

(15,655 posts)
77. I'd rather they were "Truth and Retribution" trials.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 05:06 PM
Jan 2021

Reconciliation implies letting bygones be bygones.

These aholes will continue to try to subvert a true democracy - one where every person is equal.

onetexan

(13,105 posts)
14. No surprise there. Every day next 12 days we are under constant threat
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jan 2021

Of this clear & present danger. Pelosi couldn't have worded it in any stronger terms at her presser couple days ago.

mountain grammy

(26,721 posts)
16. Attempt a coup on Wednesday
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jan 2021

get impeached on Monday.. seems reasonable. Let him think about it all weekend.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. Can't recall who it was interviewed on TV but they
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jan 2021

had some hesitation about poking the bear with impeachment and twitter ban. It's surely an interesting line of thinking. Like it would make him even more deranged and irate and more likely to do something even more horrific. 25th is the way to go, if only Pence would agree. Thought he might have seen the light, but no. Impeachment only avenue left.

mountain grammy

(26,721 posts)
48. Yep, get him out ASAP
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

If republicans had done their job in January, I believe we'd be in much better shape. Pence is a dummy, but he would have handled COVID better than trump.. literally anyone would have.

mountain grammy

(26,721 posts)
67. Yep, they laid it all out for all to see.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:57 PM
Jan 2021

over 3 years ago and there was plenty to move forward on right there but we needed those midterm elections first. I think what these Congressmen did went a long way to get out the vote in the 2018 midterms.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
69. If we are pretty sure Republicans won't vote to convict then
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jan 2021

The exercise is to stand upagainst wrong for posterity.. then why not just include all his crimes from day one? Or is there even enough paper . Including Mueller stuff, covid handling, trying to coerce GA.

mountain grammy

(26,721 posts)
73. Agree! Stand up for what's right
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jan 2021

Impeach him, whether the votes are in the Senate or not.. make them go on record acquitting the president who incited the violent overthrow of the US government.

True Blue American

(18,007 posts)
92. Pence has not ruled out
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 07:28 AM
Jan 2021

The 25th amendment but he is just killing time so he will not have to act. Cowardly little man.

Like Lindsey Graham, I have done everything Donny wants, but not this time, I am through! Too late you corrupt piece of humanity. Resign now!

twodogsbarking

(10,132 posts)
19. Well duh,
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jan 2021

when the letter came out it was clear what he had been attempting to do for four years. Military control was a key component and Trump knew it.

tinrobot

(10,938 posts)
21. We truly have to arrest that orange mofo
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jan 2021

He might have been able to sneak out the back door with his grifting, but he's officially gone way too far.

This was truly a coup attempt, not just a bunch of out of control yahoos. There is no other option but to arrest and charge him.

Dave in VA

(2,048 posts)
22. Remember, he pardoned the
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jan 2021

Eric Prince's (Betsy Devos' brother), Blackwater mercenaries this fall. Just wondering if that was a way to get some of the current and/or former Blackwater "employees" to help out in his plot?



PirateRo

(933 posts)
23. The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jan 2021

It can happen here.

At the end of the day, we want a systemic response, not a single individual. It works well in a Hollywood movie but it’s terrifying in real life. I had a country shot out from under me once already, it’s an experience I would wish on anyone.

I don’t want this one to fail for many, many reasons, the least of which is that all my stuff’s here.

Prosecution, prison for everyone involved in raiding their own capital in their own country.

dmkinsey

(840 posts)
25. Is Trump clever enough to concoct this scheme on his own?
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)

It seems to me that he must have gotten a detailed plan from someone. This plot had many steps. I just don't think he could focus long enough to develop a plan.

Lonestarblue

(10,345 posts)
28. I agree. I've been wondering since Wednesday who planned and coordinated this.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jan 2021

Coups are not spontaneous, and someone in the White House helped plan this action. Trump is not smart enough or able to focus long enough to carry out such a plan. Whoever it is needs to be found and charged with treason. Perhaps it’s Jared. He has been silent lately, and I remember someone posting that a moving truck was seen in front of their residence in DC this week. Perhaps they’re getting out of town as fast as they can, hoping the spotlight will not fall on them.

Could also be Stephen Miller. He is a nasty, devious little weasel. Or perhaps Flynn was behind this, thinking he could get some military support. All three need to have their communications subpoenaed and pulled in for questioning.

Trailrider1951

(3,417 posts)
70. My gut tells me it's Michael Flynn
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:31 PM
Jan 2021

masterminding this bullshit

Lock them (Flynn, Trump, Cruz, Hawley) up!

erronis

(15,655 posts)
78. But we know that Flynn was in constant correspondence with the Kremlin.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jan 2021

Still points to trump being putins whore.

Ligyron

(7,668 posts)
29. of course not.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

We are going to find out a lot of shocking information as time goes on, especially after the.new Administration gets up and running. Meanwhile, it is kinda fun to speculate.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
79. Miller was the one who was unresponsive when...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 05:11 PM
Jan 2021

Congressmen were pleading with the Maryland governor to send in the National Guard. As Acting Defense Secretary, he's also second in command of the military.

utopian

(1,093 posts)
54. I've been wondering the same thing
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jan 2021

I have a hard time believing Trump has the ability to do this himself.

BainsBane

(53,153 posts)
27. They didn't prevent the acting secretary of defense form being involved
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 10:52 AM
Jan 2021

Because he ignored his vote calls to ensure the Md and other national guards couldn't respond in DC.

erronis

(15,655 posts)
80. He seems to do a lot of that (miscalculation). Only way to stay in power is through violence
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 05:12 PM
Jan 2021

and murdering opponents.

Trump's wet dream.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,132 posts)
36. From what I have seen the Pentagon was involved in this attempted coup.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jan 2021

It just wasn't as blatant as sending troops to storm the Capital

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
87. Current Secretary of Defense doesn't call it an insurrection.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 07:27 PM
Jan 2021

Apparently the Pentagon is calling it a First Amendment Protest. Just ignore all those Trump and Confederate flags. Protest my ass. You don't put up a gallows at a peaceful protest.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,174 posts)
46. Yes. "... without explicit approval from Trump's defense secretary". Why Esper was fired Nov 9
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:57 AM
Jan 2021

"The Pentagon blocked the DC National Guard from receiving riot gear or interacting with protesters without explicit approval from Trump's defense secretary"

https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-hindered-dc-national-guard-response-to-insurrection-attempt-report-2021-1

patphil

(6,302 posts)
37. When I saw all those Secretaries of Defense come out with a united front I knew something was up.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jan 2021

The attack on the Capitol was planned in advance by Trump and his people...no doubt. The people who stormed the building were, for the most part, useful idiots. But within the thousands who were there was a cadre of revolutionaries who were ready to take Senators and Representatives prisoner and force an end to the EC ballot count.
They were determined to stop Biden and Harris from be officially certified as the next President and Vice-President.
It was evident that some Capitol and DC police were also involved. The defender who shot that woman may very well have stalled the attack and gave the people in the room time to escape. He is a true hero.

But, this was only the first skirmish in what may be a long conflict. The radical right believes it's their time, and are ready to ramp up the violence.
Fauci talks about the dark days of this winter as the Covid virus rages across the country, but there is a different kind of rage boiling up across the land that will make this winter even darker.
The Republic is still in danger, and I fear hundreds, if not thousands could die over the next few months.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,174 posts)
44. tRump fired Esper Nov 9 because he would not go along. Had tRump loyalist as Chief of Capitol Police
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jan 2021

Esper defied tRump in June over deploying military to the streets of US cities.

Chief Sund was a tRump loyalist though he was not appointed by tRump.

Those two points are salient to the blocking of DC and Maryland National Guard by the acting Secretary of Defense Miller and the Chief's refusal of aid offered by the DC police force, until they all were too late.

Wawannabe

(5,713 posts)
53. And Sund has named his resignation date as...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jan 2021

The 16th. ONE DAY before the next planned attack. And it is planned for this day (17th) and maybe through the 19/20th.

Have seen more than one flyer posted on internet.

Wawannabe

(5,713 posts)
50. He is waiting for the second wave
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jan 2021

That is why he won’t resign.

Too many bootlicking congress persons are aiding too!

And Pence? That fucker knows and he won’t remove. I would bet my bank account (not much) that tRump has something on Pence that he does not want mother to find out...let alone the rest of us.

Throw the book at all of these traitors!!

jcgoldie

(11,674 posts)
65. Unfortunately the DOD "refrain from political involvement"...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:45 PM
Jan 2021

...also seems to have contributed heavily in the capitol being over-run by redneck marauders.

Alex4Martinez

(2,210 posts)
66. Alex Jones, himself, boasting about Trump involvement in planning.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:47 PM
Jan 2021

I know, the source, but I happen to believe Jones in this instance:


David__77

(23,763 posts)
84. There should be vigilence against fascists for the period ahead.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 05:26 PM
Jan 2021

There has been no conclusive defeat for this movement. It is still in the institutions of power.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
91. I've heard, read, that a large number of people with guns, probably ARs and such,
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:30 PM
Jan 2021

are going to "attack" our government on the 17th of Jan. I'm guessing they are going to be packed into the area between the monuments in DC.
I can picture our US Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy surrounding those morons and they will see what a real military force looks like. The Joint Chiefs are not on the same page as Trump.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Fiona Hill: Trump DID try...