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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf conviction after his term only prevents him from holding office again, why bother?
Seriously, it seems that conviction in that case only helps Mitch McConnell. Might be better to have Trump fighting with McConnell for control of the GOP than knocking him out of that contest. Is there a time as to when the impeachment has to be presented to the Senate? More and more it's looking like Trump will once again face no real consequences. Maybe the NY investigations will do something, but not likely jail time. Banking issues will likely penalize those in the bank that helped him, but not much more. The loans might bankrupt him again. Might. Sure, going to loose a lot of money and be dragged into a bunch of lawsuits. But I am feeling that he will never really face the kind of consequences he deserves. Our system is so broken.
woodsprite
(11,951 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Zipgun
(189 posts)took that possibility away. Once again protecting Trump from consequences. Not to help Trump, but because it benefited McConnell. Every day I despise McConnell even more.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,131 posts)That bastard has stolen enough from us. We shouldn't allow him to steal any thing else.
Generic Brad
(14,278 posts)Soon he will only be able to afford only the best public defender money can't buy. We'll continue paying him one way or another for the remainder of his life.
Hekate
(91,300 posts)Mitch McConnell is one of the most corrupt politicians in our history.
Zipgun
(189 posts)McConnell's protection of Trump for McConnell's own gain is an unprecedented betrayal of our country.
mackdaddy
(1,537 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Conviction can never take away his Secret Service protection.
And conviction can only take away his pension and budget if he's removed from office.
servermsh
(913 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Joe Biden will face a tough 4 years given the mess he is inheriting, there will be mistakes, even major ones. We can let Trump be the beneficiary of Joe working to right the country and not getting all of it right on the first try. Trump is a master con artist and we have many tens of millions of totally gullible Americans. Cant take chance and make assumptions.
Progressive dog
(6,940 posts)Justice
andym
(5,451 posts)It sets a precedent, which could be used later. Trump's not the first, nor will he be the last un-American leader.
Zipgun
(189 posts)Current GOP politicians as well. But it is looking more and more like once again he will walk away with others paying far greater penalties for his actions.
andym
(5,451 posts)Far from it. They go together hand in glove. Both are merited, let's see what NY state has as well.
Sogo
(5,046 posts)You got a beat on that?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)No outside contact. The man is a deep threat to democracy.
I was reading a little bit of Soviet Union history. When Joseph Stalin died, a man named Lavrenty Beria basically staged a power grab with two associates. Beria was a real bastard (and serial rapist, as will be detailed in 2028), Stalin called him the Soviet Himmler and Stalin feared him. Beria consolidated power after Stalin died and led for about three years, but, he made a critical mistake, he didnt wipe out his near peers in the communist hierarchy like Stalin usually did, the most prominent being Nikita Khrushchev and Vyacheslav Molotov. What happened is that Khrushchev secretly undermined Beria and finally called a meeting of the Central Committee, where he disposed Beria with the help of Molotov and others, and one other member that Beria thought was his friend. Khrushchev didnt waste time, before the meeting he had cooped key members of the military and they quickly arrested higher ups that were loyal to Beria, as well as block military units that were loyal to him. Khrushchev quickly convened trials out of public view and tried Beria and Berias loyal leaders, none of the people had defense representation. Of course Beria and the others were convicted. The Beria followers were executed immediately after being convicted, like right in the courtroom. Beria was killed a couple days later, begging for his life on his knees before being kicked to the floor and shot in the forehead by a military officer.
For those that think Trump is no longer a threat, he is very much a threat, every minute that he holds power. You better bet that there are parts of the military loyal to Trump, the question is how much of it. Khrushchevs neutralization of a very dangerous man that even Joseph Stalin feared should serve as a warning that you cant take an evil person who has a singular focus for granted.
hlthe2b
(102,702 posts)Welcome to DU
Zipgun
(189 posts)seems to have an out for him. I don't want his life to be a hassle or inconvenience, I want him broken.
Phoenix61
(17,043 posts)for injury and/or wrongful death. It will force Republicans to pick a side further cementing their divide. Its on Mitch that it will happen after hes out of office. Its how the system works.
Wounded Bear
(58,864 posts)As for when the trial happens, I don't think legally that the Senate can just drop it. They will have to do something moving forward, and this time I expect witnesses and everything, like a real trial.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)He would not have a chance to get in again because we know there are enough people who could possibly get him in if he was allowed to run.
I think he should not be allowed to run for ANYTHING that has to do with government. I am talking not even any elected town official.
Walleye
(31,272 posts)Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)receiving campaign contributions from the rubes that he can plow back into his failing businesses.
Dan
(3,608 posts)Lars39
(26,122 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)the media will give him attention for that.
MineralMan
(146,373 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,119 posts)defend that bigoted, grifting shit soul.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,200 posts)Trump (and his followers) are dangerous. Your reasoning is the same as those who registered as Republican for the primary to ensure he was the Republican nominee, since he was such a joke - or who were thrilled when he won the primary (for the same reason).
Anything that eliminates the possibility that he will be a candidate in 2024 is worth it. Far too many underestimate his draw.
Zipgun
(189 posts)time. Trying to treat on lets the other run rampant and both are killing the body.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)orders an insurrection intended to avoid having to run for reelection in 2048 and cement his ability to serve for life. Because Barron is no smarter or popular than his disgraced father, the insurrection fails, just like his father's did and he is impeached by the House of Representatives.
When the Senate takes up the trial, he is acquitted by one vote. The Senators who voted for acquittal were apparently swayed by the legal scholars and historians who testified that conviction and removal is not an appropriate penalty for inciting an insurrection, as evidenced by the fact that the last time a president was impeached for inciting an insurrection, not only was the president not convicted, but the Senate didn't even bother taking the matter to trial ...
Precedent matters ...