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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLying for the Lord: The Mormon Missionary Rides High
https://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/lying-for-the-lord-the-mormon-missionary-rides-high/In case you need to hear it again. Mitt Romney will not raise taxes on the middle class, will not increase the deficit, will create 12,000,000 new jobs in the first three months, will protect small businesses, and will save Medicare and Social Security as we know it, while giving future seniors more choice about health care options. Everythings comin up roses, and you heard it from his milk-drinking, alcohol-free, tobacco-eschewing lips.
A lot has been made about Romneys lies, and his commitment to post-truth politics. But they are not really liesat least not the sort of whoppers that Ben Franklin alluded to in Poor Richards when he said the truth stands on two legs, a lie on one.
In the image-is-everything world we live in, propagating your version of the reality you want the world to see is the real goal. Mitt Romney is good at it. But he is not good at it because he a a good lawyer, or a good businessman, or a good guy.
He is a good at is because he is a Mormonand not just a Mormon but a really good Mormon. And really good Mormons are the best liars in the world....
Raster
(20,998 posts)mia
(8,361 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)mia
(8,361 posts)Sounds like a religion to me.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And so are a lot of the Mormons I know. Romney is just a psychopathic asshole: his batshit crazy religion has nothing to do with it.
CthulhusEvilCousin
(209 posts)a world of difference between your average Mormon, and a Bishop and stake President like Mitt Romney. From my personal encounters with Mormon missionaries, and from what I know of the leadership of the LDS, the article is correct. I have never met a more deceptive group of people than the Mormon "church."
Stainless
(718 posts)I was married to a pious Mormon woman and believe me, they are taught from an early age that lying is way to justify or achieve anything they want. The truth is whatever they say it is at the time they say it. Romney is a lying scumbag who believes he has been chosen by God to save the country and his religion justifies his lying to win the election.
factsarenotfair
(910 posts)Stainless
(718 posts)can all go f@ck themselves. Religion is a waste of time and energy. This video was not epic it was a boring waste of time. I live amongst the Mormons and I just shut the door in their face or turn my back and walk away. Pretty simple really.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Like Mitt not doing Nickelodeon or sharing his taxes, it isn't actually a law, so Mitt just thinks it doesn't apply to him.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)The Mormon hierarchy places other Mormons above all things, including our cultural beliefs of "right and wrong", Federal laws and State laws.
siligut
(12,272 posts)I just have to shake my head when people want to just compare Mormonism to other Christian religions.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)I've lived in Utah. Most of the Mormons I've known were good, salt-of-the-earth people.
Not that I'd vote for Romney. Not on a bet. He's a lying weasel.
But it wouldn't be right to judge a whole religion/culture by one poor specimen.
siligut
(12,272 posts)And it isn't just one poor specimen. And it isn't religious bigotry, in fact Mormonism is a cult and this respect that you request has only allowed this cult to grow and ruin more lives.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...born and raised in the church, and I can say with all fairness and beyond a shadow of a doubt...
...THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I WANT A MORMON IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and especially NOT THIS MORMON!
Yes, generally the average mormons are "good, salt-of-the-earth people"-type people. The problem is when the congregate and kick in to their hive mentality. Except there is no Queen at the top of their hierarchy -- or any other female in any leadership role -- there is only white, holier-than-thou, old men whose authority is absolute.
I guarantee a Rmoney White House would have "hot line" direct to Salt Lake City.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Good, likable, fair and considerate people just fall into line when "activated", so basically you just can't expect consistency or you can have a consistent person all of the sudden change position or stance. People I have spoken with won't do business with Mormons, they go along straight-forward and fair, but when it comes down to money, they become sneaky and screw you.
F. Kafka
(70 posts)It's beneath DU. There are a million reasons not to vote for Robbedme without stooping to "Mormonism is a cult."
Raster
(20,998 posts)Cult, smult. My problem is the already tenuous separation of church and State. And from my personal opinion, Church and State would be SEVERELY stretched with a Mormon - especially this Mormon - in the White House.
There are no angels.
There are no demons.
There is no heaven and there is no hell.
There is only our real, natural world all around us.
Religion is but myth and superstition.
Religious conviction hardens hearts.
Religious faith enslaves minds.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But, he is a mormon is good standing, he was even a church leader...
I wonder the same thing about other religions who continue to defend and give money to people who seemingly go against the values of their own church, temple, mosque, etc.
AzSweet
(102 posts)mojo2012
(290 posts)The LDS Church WILL have influence on Romney's decision and it WILL NOT be for the benefit of the whole. I see it EVERY DAY in Utah, why would it be different in the White House?
Raster
(20,998 posts)...for comfort, just wait. To hell with a hot line to Russia or China, the Rmoney White House would have a direct line to the old, white, holier-than-thou Mormon High Command. Salt Lake City would become the higher authority.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)this raises the amount of taxes paid but doesn't 'raise the tax rate'.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Matthew 23:13 KJV Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for YE SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. --------//--- How do the lying hypocrites do that? --- YOU TEACH LIES, THATS HOW!!!!
Ephesians 2:6 KJV And HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS. -----//-- Thats the RAPTURE, if there is a RAPTURE!!! -- Do any of you smart guys think that that is NOT worse than THE MERE KILLING OF JESUS CHRIST? Teaching false doctrine is worse, by far, than killing Jesus!!
1 Timothy 4:16 KJV TAKE HEED UNTO THYSELF, AND UNTO THE DOCTRINE; continue in them: for in doing this THOU SHALT BOTH SAVE THYSELF, AND THEM THAT HEAR THEE. ------//--- What is that saying? - That it is OK to teach something that is A / A LIE? Any single little LIE is FALSE DOCTRINE and is condemned of the TRUTH / GOD!!! (( You and those who try to enter the Kingdom, just may enter in, IF you fools were to just take heed unto yourselves, but you cannot ))!! ---- What does it take for a TRUE HYPOCRITE to come to the knowledge of the Truth? Theres no power in Heaven or Hell to change a TRUE FOOLS STUPID MIND!!!!
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)With Christianity... Its not.
byeya
(2,842 posts)The original post got it right and thanks for the thread.
I lived in rural SW Utah and the rank and file mormons and not good people to outsiders.
And, WHERE ARE THE TAX RETURNED MIFFERS?
pintobean
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Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)What part of that should we ignore?