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karmaqueen

(714 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:02 AM Oct 2012

Please help me answer this guy....

I posted the picture about the x Republican veteran endorsing Obama and he posted this..
Obama eliminated 130,000 military jobs here in VA. He says he is going to eliminate 20,000 more. He has reduced the size of our Navy to the smallest it has been since 1911. This area is a military area. His cuts and eliminations are on the news every night..... I'm not making this up, this is what is on our 6:00 news, every night. The folks at the Navy Shipyard are freaking out. Please check what is really happening not just what is being said. The Veterans Admin Hospital is over whelmed and yet they are being cut too.

This guy drives me crazy... What can I say to him? I know Obama is helping vets..Didn't the republicans just block a Veterans bill??? I am not thinking straight and don't want to put something wrong .. Thanks for any help

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gateley

(62,683 posts)
1. Randi mentioned the Navy thing today -- this guy is quoting Romney. I'm trying to find
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

Numbers but not being very successful.

And yes' the Repiboicans just blocked a bill tha would have helped veterans.

elleng

(130,956 posts)
3. Yes they just vetoed a Veterans bill.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:14 AM
Oct 2012

Eliminating military jobs in VA probably necessary, and many such jobs NOT necessary. Can't blame folks for freaking out. Don't know what to tell you except, but here's list of Senators who voted down the bill: http://www.politicususa.com/meet-40-senate-republicans-betrayed-veterans-killing-1-billion-jobs.html

pipewrench

(194 posts)
4. This might help
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:17 AM
Oct 2012

http://buwashingtonnews.com/2012/09/15/report-sequestration-would-mean-2-billion-hit-to-navy-shipbuilding/

In turn, the Obama administration directed some harsh words at in the introduction to Friday’s report.
Emphasizing that the administration did not support sequestration cuts, which it described as “deeply destructive to national security, domestic investments, and core government functions,” the report called on Congress to “act responsibly.” Without directly mentioning names, it also took a swipe at congressional Republicans for favoring alternatives to sequestration that relied entirely on spending cuts without also considering increases in government revenues.

sabre rattling with both parties playing chicken.

karmaqueen

(714 posts)
5. Thanks!
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:20 AM
Oct 2012

I'll put this all together and answer him somehow, LOL I would delete him but I would rather fight back

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
6. I think he's likely screeching about the "fiscal cliff"
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:21 AM
Oct 2012

we are about to go over, deep cuts in the military being made automatically if Congress hadn't done its job. The Clown Congress couldn't be arsed to address any of this stuff, even piecemeal, they're too busy renaming post offices and grandstanding on abortion for the morons.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. I went to Snopes, but they didn't seem to have anything on this topic.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:27 AM
Oct 2012

So I did a google, and wound up on Wikipedia.

Wiki says that under George W. Bush (I'm not sure I can quite recall who that was) "the fleet dropped to a total number of ships that was smaller than any time since 1917."

I just did a quick skim of the part of the Wiki article that talks about commissioned ships and I added up to at least 150, and I probably missed a lot of numbers. I have no idea how many ships we had in 1911, and maybe it was a greater number, but it's safe to say that not a single one was an aircraft carrier, of which we currently have 13 and at least one more planned. Oh, and in 1911 I don't think we had any submarines, of which we have 73 under commission, others in reserve and more planned.

Oh, here we are. I just checked the Wiki article about the history of the U.S. Navy, and here's a little tidbit: "In March 2007, the U.S. Navy reached its smallest fleet size, with 274 ships, since World War I. However, the comparison is misleading since modern ships are larger and carry more firepower than those of 100 years ago and shipbuilding has recovered under Obama." 2007, 2007, I have trouble remembering who was President that year.

This guy is somewhat confused about what's going on. The VA Hospital cuts, I believe can be directly laid at the foot of Republicans in Congress who will do anything, including fucking over our service men and women, to keep Obama from being re-elected.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
8. I've got nothing.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:32 AM
Oct 2012

Are you trying to change his mind? Because I can tell you that isn't going to happen. Just make him promise you something ... if Romney gets elected and doesn't decrease the deficit AND fulfill our obligation to our veterans AND decrease unemployment AND improve wages by the next election, he's got to vote Democratic in 2016.

karmaqueen

(714 posts)
10. No.. I know I can't change his mind..
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:41 AM
Oct 2012

I just hate to leave a bad post about Obama on my page...Thanks for suggestion

progree

(10,908 posts)
13. Right. You won't change a RW'ers mind, but what about undecideds or slightly decideds who read your
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:17 AM
Oct 2012

page? Good for you for taking this on.

karmaqueen

(714 posts)
14. That is why I do it..For those reading...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:20 PM
Oct 2012

I try never to leave a negative Obama post anywhere.. most of everything written about him on facebook are lies. I can't stand to see some of the crap people write and uninformed voters read and believe...I try to make sure that what I answer with is accurate so I don't look like a dumb a*s like most of them do...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
11. On the VA: Funding for the Veterans Administration has increased consistently under President Obama
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:51 AM
Oct 2012

His 2010 budget proposed and won passage of the largest increase for the VA in 30 years. Here are a few links that may be helpful:

Veterans Salute President Obama on Funding for VA

Mr. Obama’s proposed VA budget for fiscal 2011 asks for $125 billion – a 10 percent jump from what Congress enacted for 2010, which was itself more than 16 percent more than 2009. The discretionary portion of next year’s budget request – the part the administration and Congress have the most direct control over – is up nearly 20 percent since 2009, to total $60.3 billion.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/30/veterans-salute-president-obama-on-funding-for-va/



New law for Veterans Administration mandates advanced appropriations; more money in budgets

So Obama's 2010 budget provided billions more in funding for the VA, and his 2011 budget proposal promises further increases. He also signed a law mandating that Congress appropriate money for veterans medical care programs one year in advance. We rate this Promise Kept.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/109/fully-fund-the-veterans-administration/



VA (FY13) Budget Request Tops $140 Billion for Veterans Programs
http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2263


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