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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:32 PM Oct 2012

Can DUers please give us "Hand Wringers" some slack?

"Hand Wringer" is such a pejorative term for people who care as much, will still work as hard, want Obama to win as much, as everyone else here at DU. Not as bad as troll, but still...

People are just different, that's all.

We "Hand-Wringers" are hyper-analytical is all.

We have a need to analyze and dissect events and polls to understand them better and determine causes and trends to reach conclusions. I know it seems we over-analyze but it's part of our make-up, and there is an end in sight.

The good news is, we still can do two things at once. Still donate. Still volunteer. Still promote the cause.

If you still have a need to call us something, maybe there is something nicer? or maybe a special thread for just us?

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Can DUers please give us "Hand Wringers" some slack? (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 OP
if you build a shrine with candles and pray prostrated you will be forgiven lol nt msongs Oct 2012 #1
done Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #9
We bedwetters, too, please Glitterati Oct 2012 #2
OMG...you're not Plouffe are you? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #27
i reject the notion that "hand-wringing" is pejorative but how bout parade-rainers or worry-worts leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #3
It think it's "wart" actually. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #5
If you stop wringing your hands you'll have time to put out the fire in your hair. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #4
and change the underwear bigtree Oct 2012 #8
I'm moving this to "General Discussion: Chicken Little" FSogol Oct 2012 #6
look nobody has a issue with anyone worrying that is legit DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #7
i hear ya ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #11
I prefer "DoomSayers" WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #10
lol. My personally therapy plan is to play with the "make your own map" on realclearpolitics Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #14
Have you tried Politics 2012? Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #12
There's a difference between hyperanalytical and hyperreactive. gkhouston Oct 2012 #13
I agree. But, would much rather us all admit that it is far superior to be in a poll situation Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #16
Awww, don't feel bad! OK, maybe this helps: CTyankee Oct 2012 #15
Thanks CTY ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #19
You are welcome! I am also leaving the country again this election, going to Belgium. CTyankee Oct 2012 #22
how cool Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #23
I got a good deal on one of hotel+airfare specials on Orbitz. I'm staying at a nice CTyankee Oct 2012 #24
jealous but have a great time ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #25
No you don't have to hand wring over polls. Skidmore Oct 2012 #17
Pollyannas worry just as much Blaukraut Oct 2012 #18
That is very wise, B. I always thought they were oblivious to concerns and Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #21
Eeyore :) Donkees Oct 2012 #20
Everybody reacts to bad news differently... Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #26
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. OMG...you're not Plouffe are you?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:04 PM
Oct 2012

Plouffe calls concerned Democrats "bed-wetters"???

I am not panicked but I am certainly concerned WRT the President's performance in the first debate. That DOES NOT make me a "bed-wetter". I fully expect President Obama to turn the tables on Mittens in rounds 2 & 3, but calling concerned Democrats names does little to firm up support or inspire.

FSogol

(45,487 posts)
6. I'm moving this to "General Discussion: Chicken Little"
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

Just kidding.

Right on with: "The good news is, we still can do two things at once. Still donate. Still volunteer. Still promote the cause."

Make it so.

 

DisabledAmerican

(452 posts)
7. look nobody has a issue with anyone worrying that is legit
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:55 PM
Oct 2012

I'll be the first to say I can agree to disagree no matter what. The issue that we have is with people who are popping up to use every little thing to bash Obama. There's a difference between legit worrying and trying to Doomsayer. Doomsayer are just looking for a excuse to bash Obama.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. lol. My personally therapy plan is to play with the "make your own map" on realclearpolitics
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:04 PM
Oct 2012

rcp map.

there are so many ways for us to get to 270 and so few for Dipshit.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
13. There's a difference between hyperanalytical and hyperreactive.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:02 PM
Oct 2012

Someone who is hyperanalytical might follow all the polls, but they're aware of outliers and creatively framed polling, so they don't have a meltdown over any numbers that look odd. Instead of, "OMG, we're losing! We're losing!" an analytical person would think, "Uh, that doesn't fit. Let's go back and re-examine the underlying premises."

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. I agree. But, would much rather us all admit that it is far superior to be in a poll situation
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:13 PM
Oct 2012

where every poll has Obama ahead instead of having to rely on one being an outlier and dismissing them as garbage.

In my experience outliers don't usually pan out to be true - PEW, way off. BUT are an indication that other polls may likely trend that direction. Which is turning out to be true today, with Gallup LVs.

I am glad the Obama team reacted so quickly (staying up all night on debate night).

But, agree with some that the Big Bird parodies need to stop. I can just hear DipShit now saying - the economy is going to hell in a handbasket and your president is making jokes.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. Awww, don't feel bad! OK, maybe this helps:
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

Do you remember the night at the Republican Convention in 2008 when Sarah Palin burst upon the political scene to wild cheers and jubilation, mesmerizing the press for DAYS and drawing huge crowds at events? Do you remember how you felt then? I remember how I felt -- heart sick. I remember how a co-worker of mine, a woman dedicated to helping inner city kids, broke down in TEARS, convinced Obama would lose the election because of the Palin "game changer." I was devastated, too. But fortunately I had planned a trip with a buddy of mine to Spain in late October. We met a liberal couple from Berkeley in the airport who were on our flight to Madrid because the husband had been beside himself over the way the campaign was going and had been glued to the computer constantly checking polls from morning to night. Finally, his wife had said "Enough! We're taking a trip to Europe to get away from this craziness!" That trip was like a tonic and a terrific diversion, even tho I bought the International Herald Tribune every day to keep up.

The point is that the dust settled, Obama shined through and won. It hasn't even been a week since that debate. Try to give it some time for some roaring back by the Obama campaign. He's got an excellent ground game in lots of states that has been doing prep work for months. We've won some key state court decisions to blunt voter suppression. Barack and Michelle are greeted by huge crowds of admirers everywhere they go! Unemployment is down, jobs created are up, consumer confidence is up. Romney has only had ONE good night and we KNOW from past history that the debates (much less a single one!) do not foretell the future (otherwise, John Kerry would now be leaving office after two terms as President!).

And...there are plenty of folks here who understand and who want to help. Keep your chin up and continue with all your good political work! Eyes on the prize...



 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. Thanks CTY !
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:23 PM
Oct 2012

You are SO right ! Thanks for the story. Yes, remember Palin choice. I was just shocked she could even consider after just having a baby (not that someone couldn't do both; just my old-fashioned thinking)...but that all played out right - given her meanness and craziness

Oh shit, just saw Gallup likely at 49-47 Romney

just kidding.

Thanks so much

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
22. You are welcome! I am also leaving the country again this election, going to Belgium.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:55 PM
Oct 2012

I'll be leaving this coming Sunday morning, back on the 22nd, when I want to do some phone banking from Murphy HQ here in New Haven. Huge stakes for the Dems since it is Joe Lieberman's Senate seat. This one is also close but Murphy has a 5 pt. lead over McMahon and he did beautifully in their debate last Sunday (another thursday, right before the VP debate...it'll be one helluva night for us!). My neighbor is so upset over McMahon that he vows to move out of the state to VT if she wins!

I'm doing positive thinking, envisioning a Triple: Obama, Murphy and Warren in MA!

It will be interesting to see what the sophisticated Belgians in their charming Old World towns and cities will say about our election...but I am going to concentrate on the art and the chocolates and try not to watch too much of CNN in my hotel room...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. how cool
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:05 PM
Oct 2012

Bruges? Rent In Bruges before you go. Looks so cool
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/

Have a great time ! And give us a full report on what they think about our election when you get back. I will never forget being in a pub in Quebec City, right after 9-11, and Bush on the TV and everyone mocking him. They were so mad that he made all the international planes land in Canada. Like "Hey, thanks a hell of a lot."

Yes, gotta get CT and MA back where it belongs !

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
24. I got a good deal on one of hotel+airfare specials on Orbitz. I'm staying at a nice
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oct 2012

hotel in Brussels and taking their wonderful trains to Bruges, Ghent and Antwerp (which looks very interesting, but I'm really going there for the Rubens art). Just want to sit in a nice cafe, sipping espresso and eating Belgian chocolate truffles...nice and calm...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
17. No you don't have to hand wring over polls.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:13 PM
Oct 2012

You need to get your asses out there and register voters and canvas or phonebank. Handwringing is all we are hearing about in the news cycle now. It has become a story and a counterproductive one at that.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
18. Pollyannas worry just as much
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:17 PM
Oct 2012

They just tend to get bogged down and depressed if they dwell on negative events. To them, the analyzing and dissecting is not as helpful as it is to the Handwringers. They definitely aren't oblivious to concerns and have them as well. They are just able to carry on better if they focus on the positive. As you said, people are different and have different ways of dealing with adversity. In the end, we want the same thing

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. That is very wise, B. I always thought they were oblivious to concerns and
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

analysis. But what you say makes sense. thanks. MSNBC just showed a shitty MA poll.

Donkees

(31,409 posts)
20. Eeyore :)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
Oct 2012

Quotes:

"The old grey donkey, Eeyore stood by himself in a thistly corner of the Forest, his front feet well apart, his head on one side, and thought about things. Sometimes he thought sadly to himself, "Why?" and sometimes he thought, "Wherefore?" and sometimes he thought, "Inasmuch as which?" and sometimes he didn't quite know what he was thinking about."


"When stuck in the river, it is best to dive and swim to the bank yourself before someone drops a large stone on your chest in an attempt to hoosh you there."
Eeyore



To all of my esteemed donkey friends on DU, don't overburden yourselves with negativity, just kick it.

Love, Donkees

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
26. Everybody reacts to bad news differently...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:03 PM
Oct 2012

Don't take the criticisms to heart...some over-analyze, some deny, some just like to complain...

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