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clydefrand

(4,325 posts) Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:16 PM Oct 2012

religion?

Why, if the repubs were allowed to make such an ado over Kennedy being Catholic, and that basically the 'POPE' would be running this country, then why can't we talk about the preaching of the Mormons. That is, for centuries/decades the Mormons have been driven first by the church, second by the family, third by the country.
When the old predicted that a Mormon would become President, then the country will become a Mormon
STATE. Why aren't people researching the Mormon teachings and bringing this up? This is VASTLY more believable than what the GOP said about Kennedy/Pope!

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religion? (Original Post) clydefrand Oct 2012 OP

Mormons are often blond lalalu Oct 2012 #1

Yep. There's some very concrete reasons that Tea Party Racism has no problem with Mormons. link: patrice Oct 2012 #3

The "Tea Party" is ignorant FreeState Oct 2012 #10

Part of what is working against that discussion is that there are those who, whenever religion patrice Oct 2012 #2

And yet above, the poster says 'Mormons are racist' and you say 'yep' Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #5

True that, though my point, more precisely, may be that they are supported by racists, who tend to patrice Oct 2012 #9

You are asking for reason and consistency from ideologic wingnuts? MissMarple Oct 2012 #4

I would like to think that since 1960 we've moved past this kind of thing. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #6

I am not so sure. lalalu Oct 2012 #8

I tried to get some right wing Christians to think about that treestar Oct 2012 #7

Because we're supposed to be P.C. now, even though MR is a BISHOP who thinks he is fulfilling a WinkyDink Oct 2012 #11

I've heard of that. I'm not big on mythology. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #12

lalalu

(1,663 posts)

1. Mormons are often blond

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

Oct 2012

and from Utah. Catholics were viewed as immigrants and suspicious foreigners. Catholics were largely viewed in the same way as Muslims today. Mormons have for decades pushed the agenda of being All American white bread and it is what Romney is running on now. They also didn't mind openly saying they didn't like black people which pushed Mormons up a big notch for some people.

That's why.

patrice

(47,992 posts)

3. Yep. There's some very concrete reasons that Tea Party Racism has no problem with Mormons. link:

Reply to lalalu (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:28 PM

Oct 2012

http://www.irehr.org/

FreeState

(10,572 posts)

10. The "Tea Party" is ignorant

Reply to patrice (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:35 PM

Oct 2012

just over half of LDS are GOP. As a former member most members under the age of 60 are not racist at all - its a dying mindset in the church. It will still take a long time, but the mainstream members, especially out of Utah, are hardly racist. The Tea Party on the other hand... well we know all too well their racism.

patrice

(47,992 posts)

2. Part of what is working against that discussion is that there are those who, whenever religion

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:26 PM

Oct 2012

is discussed, take that as an opportunity to attack religion in general. That often occurs as the atheism vs. religion fight, which then, of course, turns off ALL religious participants, so none of the comparative religious discussion happens.

I keep saying that atheists should consider staying out of it, because anything that they have to say about something that they claim doesn't exist, or that they do not believe in, in the first place, undercuts their own position.

The other problem is that it's kind of hard to compare BELIEFS for validity and reliability. Maybe more could be done with comparisons of the consequences of certain belief systems, but I don't know . . .

I personally consider the topic quite interesting, just don't know how productive it is on the average.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

5. And yet above, the poster says 'Mormons are racist' and you say 'yep'

Reply to patrice (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:39 PM

Oct 2012

Hard to compare the validity of 'racism' vs 'antiracism'? Not to me it isn't. Racism, not valid, not matter what Goddy God tee shirt it is wearing.

patrice

(47,992 posts)

9. True that, though my point, more precisely, may be that they are supported by racists, who tend to

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:24 PM

Oct 2012

be "Christians" in the case of the Tea Party, no?

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)

4. You are asking for reason and consistency from ideologic wingnuts?

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:35 PM

Oct 2012

Reason and consistency from people who would walk off the mythical edge of the earth just to prove a point? Perhaps we should just point them in the direction of a certain canyon in Arizona. That might be more doable.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)

6. I would like to think that since 1960 we've moved past this kind of thing.

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:51 PM

Oct 2012

AFAIK people didn't make an issue of Harry Reid's Mormonism when he was elected Senator. Or of Joe Lieberman's Judaism. There's lots of other stuff to attack Romney with.

lalalu

(1,663 posts)

8. I am not so sure.

Reply to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:15 PM

Oct 2012

I doubt a Muslim would be elected president, or a Buddhist, or a Scientologist, or an atheist.

treestar

(82,383 posts)

7. I tried to get some right wing Christians to think about that

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:53 PM

Oct 2012

Would you believe one claimed they were "more tolerant" of other people's religious beliefs than liberals are? Well for now, they tolerate Mormon beliefs.

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)

11. Because we're supposed to be P.C. now, even though MR is a BISHOP who thinks he is fulfilling a

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:39 PM

Oct 2012

PROPHECY about having a Mormon lead America into a Mormon Theocracy.

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)

12. I've heard of that. I'm not big on mythology.

Reply to clydefrand (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:53 PM

Oct 2012

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