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I thought bleach was bleach. What was I thinking?

I noticed the other day my Hellmans mayo was constantly falling off the knife before I made it to the sandwich. I looked inside it it was all runny. I thought I had left it out too long. But the new jar was just as runny. So I did some research on line.

It turns out Hellmans, a premium brand at a premium price, is now increasing the amount of water in the mayo. Look at the ingredients label. The 2nd ingredient is no longer eggs but water. It use to be oil, eggs then water. It is now oil water then eggs.

My husband is Southern and would eat no other mayo. Since I showed him what Hellmans has done, he is on the look out for a better quality mayonnaise. I may have to make it myself.

We always thought Hellmans was runny, even 50 years ago. Thought it was only one step above salad dressing, an insult for most of us.

Anyway, try Dukes and see what you think. It has a slightly different taste that is deliberate. Still has water as third ingredient.

Anyway, thanks for the advice about Dukes. I see it has eggs NOT water as its 2nd ingredient.

It is easy to make your own mayo especially if you have your own food processor.
There are lots of video's on line to show you exactly how to do it

Thanks for the information. I grow so weary of being cheated, again and again and again...

They think no one notices when they cut the number of teabags to 20 from 24, or the tuna can goes from 7 oz. to 6.5, to 6, to 5 oz. ("we took out mostly water" I was told-LIARS). I asked "How long until we are buying 1 oz. cans of tuna?"

Take the rest of the day off.

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...if i forget to check labels

Thanks for noticing, and for posting. It would never have occured to me that I should check the label.

K/R.

The same thing happened with laundry soaps. They are now selling smaller containers for 2 times the amount they've sold for in the past. Hair shampoo companies have become stingy on the ingredient in the shampoo that creates the suds/bubbles. They are hoping that you use more shampoo to get the same sudsy action going on your head and that you go through the bottle faster so you need to buy another bottle quicker.

It's amazing how we're being cheated at the grocery store.

What really irks me is that all marketing is basically deceptive. They are out to pull the wool over your eyes on their marketed products and have their hand in your back pocket.

As a young student, I remember learning about (false) advertising, etc., from a teacher. Since those days in the 1970's, I find we are cheated more than ever in the last decade. Is there no more "Truth in Advertising" laws any more? I'm not that naive, but, I find it's WAY out of control now.

of an entire industry of looting.

It is getting utterly shameless when they can get away with not even putting the information on the labels.

Dish soaps come out of the bottle like water. Hand soaps are smaller and hollowed in shape, goopy, and dissolve within a week, while a bar used to stay hard and last for a month.

It goes on and on...

Most companies are hoping we don't. Mothers towing a couple hungry kids from school doesn't have the time to be a great label reader. Some feel the well known brands are automatically the best so they they read labels either. Finally you have those who feel bleach is bleach and will grab according to price,scent or whim. But so many buy for,say a mold problem, and are getting a fancy version of bleach scented water. Years ago ALL bleach was considered a disinfectant.
While we have consumer web sites I don't think we have really gotten enough info to be a threat against shady business wording,sizes etc.
You have a sheet size cake pan but your cake mix is shrinking. Your cake will not look as high as it should. Recipes that used to call for a pound can are now 14 oz so you have to use a filler for those lost ounces.
I don't see how a family can even afford to buy cereal when you see how little is hidden in one of those boxes. Many offer little more then 3 bowls. If a family of four ate cereal every morning think how many boxes they would have to buy! We used to have sensible size boxes that lasted a week and kiddie cereals even had silly toys inside.
Every time you think you have read all the labels you need to on a shopping trip some manufacturer pulls another stunt and the consumer has been had again but it's always in a way that disguises their dishonesty.

I'm so tired of being taken advantage of!

Also, what is the deal with Tide? You need to take out a loan to buy their detergent.

I will be passing this along.

I thought Bleach was Bleach...
Shocking.

Shampoos, lotions, etc. Chemists call formulas for these types of things "recipes"

https://www.google.com/search?q=chemistry+recipes+common+household

is just a marketing gimmick to sell more socks. Bleach makes cotton more brittle.

And white vinegar is a great disinfectant that I like to keep around the house.

For instance, where I teach the chemistry department buys all their stock acids and bases in concentrated form, and dilutes them as needed. You do "pay" in terms of the time and effort to dilute the chemicals but overall there's a big cost savings. By contrast, the biology department buys the same chemicals in the concentrations they actually use. Clearly they're willing go pay a premium for the convenience of not fussing with diluting the chemicals.

Is the biology department getting ripped off? Well, it all depends on the value they place on not having to do that little bit of (simple) chemistry...

I had to use bleach in the pool the last month of summer when stores stopped stocking pool chlorine (12%). The only brand I found without the percentages on the bottle was Walgreens brand.

The online pool forums all said not to use scented Clorox. Now I know why.

according to the representative I spoke to.

The problem is that they are suckering customers into buying diluted formulations labeled "Clorox bleach" that contain much less and don't indicate the lower percentages on the labels at all.

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Believe me I get your point about them selling the diluted products and not labeling it.

It has the same label as yours. I always thought bleach was bleach as many of us have posted

I will bring my readers to the store next time and read the labels. Sheeeesh!

I had to go check mine (from CostCo) and it's identical to your photo. Mine does, however, say "Cleans & Disinfects" as the OP states.

bleaches that are "disinfecting" will have the word "disinfecting" on the label, along with a labeled concentration of at least 6 percent.

"Betrayed by Clorox"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4268554

You are obviously quicker than I!

Thanks!

material. Not anymore. it's WEAKER!

Thanks for this.

Safer for clothes! (Maybe they have.)

I remember a few years ago when Clorox was heavily advertising a "special" kind of bleach cleaner that was "safe around food, kids, and pets!"

That was a slick way to market dilution, too...

They are right there at state legislatures "guiding" the reps and sentors on environmental issues.
They stopped our state from recommending less toxic gardening methods such as putting out a plate of beer to trap slugs, because they had not undergone rigorous testing!

Good work on the bleach bottles issues -

It doesn't work anymore. Now I know why.

And pool chlorine used to be a lot cheaper than Clorox, so I used it for cleaning around the pool,and cage. But, now Clorox ix a lot cheaper, and less effective for a reason.

with a little bit of dish soap. Anyone who sells canning supplies should have the 10% strength (kitchen strength is 5%)

When I worked in a group home and they used bleach everywhere, I wore thick gloves and my skin still broke out in bleeding hives.

I do not go swimming in pools either. Clorine in pools does the same thing also. When I want to disinfect anything, I use WHITE VINEGAR. I don't get the same reaction from that.

They have been doing something with my tap water too in Florida. It now smells like BLEACH too. Although I buy water for drinking, I am very, very woried about taking showers and bathes with this.

They want to kill us off.

Just mention cloth diapers. That's the easiest way to fish them out.

Note: All three of our daughters were cloth diaper babies. The eldest is 21 now and we still have a lot of the diapers. They make great dust rags and we used one as a burial shroud for our rabbit.

Making extra profits by protecting us from ourselves has become how American Corps do business.

But really, why would anyone buy scented bleach and not expect them to replace some of the bleach with the scent?

I always by the regular old 6%, unscented Clorox Bleach, but anyone who would buy the scented kind is most likely doing so because the unscented stuff smells "too bleachy."

Ever looked at the label of Clorox Clean-up with Bleach? It only has 1.84% with 98.16% "Other Ingredients," not sure what they mean by "Yields 1.75% available Chlorine" thought.

Want another shock, try to find a toilet bowl cleaner that works these days!

Ever since they took out most or all of the old active ingredient that actually worked (Hydrogen Chloride), most hardly make a dent in a dirty toilet anymore.

Lysol Toilet Bowl cleaner used to have 10-15% of Hydrogen Chloride, now most of the ones that "Cling" or that are scented have, at most, 8% Hydrogen Chloride if they have any at all. I now buy "the cheep stuff" called "the Works" which has 20% Hydrogen Chloride in it.

Warning: "the Works" with 20% Hydrogen Chloride WILL burn your skin if you don't wash it off pretty soon after exposure.

Btw, I'm not some sort of chemical geek, I just learned about this stuff when I worked at several Pro Photo Labs over the years. We used to use Lysol Toilet Bowl Cleaner to clean the photo processing machines about once a month, but about 10 years ago I noticed that it was getting a lot harder to clean the gunk off the machines when the boss gave us some of the scented toilet bowl cleaners. That was when I checked the ingredients percentages on the bottles and made the switch to "the cheep stuff" called "the Works."

It's good to know.

I posted upthread a little about Clorox's big campaign a while back for their "special" bleach cleaning product that is "safe around food, kids, and pets." (I remember filing it away in my mind alongside the new "whipped" yogurt and chocolate brands as one more example of companies' finding ways to charge us more for products diluted with air or water.)

Homeopathic "medications" that are 99.6 percent water also use the safety argument. It's shameless.

and it lives up to its name.

...but I'm not sure, it just says it's "Sold by" a Georgia Company.

Mixed about 3 to 1 Works to Hydrogen Peroxide. It eats the copper right off the PC board.
Muriatic Acid which is very strong Hydrogen Chloride bleach works a better. You can buy it in any hardware store and it's 32% Hydrogen Chloride.

Mix a quart of Muriatic Acid 1 to 3 w/ water and you have 1 gallon of very powerful 8% chlorine bleach for about 2 bucks. I'd be careful with it though.

...if you do it too quickly. I had to do that a few times, diluting H2SO4 (Sulfuric acid), we used it to lower the pH of one of the Chemicals in the E-6 process.

Btw, to anyone reading this, adding acid to water is the correct way to dilute acid, not the other way around, just do it slowly and carefully. Doing it the other way, adding water to acid, is very dangerous. Hint:

Most of the time we used NAOH, a very strong Base (and a great drain cleaner) to raise the pH, but that came in crystal form which we mixed with water, I was always amazed how hot it made the water when it was mixed.

We also used glacial acetic acid as a stop bath in B&W photography.

I do this so much I don't even think about it. Thanks for clarifying it.

Do what you aughta, and acid to wata!

Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid . Diluting it with more water gives you a more dilute hydrochloric acid.

Various things are called bleach, but the stuff the OP is talking about (Chlorox, et. al.) is a solution of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO), which is a very different thing.

You definitely don't want to mix laundry bleach with any acid, except under very controlled circumstances, as you'll be generating chlorine gas. I know you didn't suggest this, but it seemed an appropriate place to throw in a warning.

My right hand, a long rubber glove, a green scrubby and soap.

I clean almost everything with just soap and water. Most households don't need 90% of the chemicals they have under the sink.

Oh, and spray down the whole toilet inside and out with hot water from the shower. Then use the puddle of water on the floor to mop with.

It can make ya feel really sick. If you get the fumes up your nose you can experience head cold like symptoms. Just getting it on your hands can cause intense nausea and headaches.

Speaking of,...toss all of your Teflon pans. If they get too hot on your stove and you breath the fumes you will experience flu like symptoms. The fumes kill birds dead.

and then I found this...

http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/downloads/msds/petcare/freshstepcatlitter.pdf

In case you ever needed a cat litter MSDS, there ya go. (And yes, Clorox makes cat litter. SHITLOADS of cat litter.)

For any Clorox MSDS, go to:

http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/products/msds/

They'll be sure to publish this.
K & R.

Thanks for researching this and sharing here! I use Clorox Bleach to disinfect my litter boxes, and I'm probably using the diluted crap! I will look for the disinfecting bleach from here on out.

I did it once when I was a kid, and once is all it took to never do it again.

So maybe the new low concentrations are a result of lawsuits over the years?

concentration is higher, it can be diluted. and just recently I've noticed its not being called chlorine anymore its being called "bleach."

I used to have a pool and ruined a couple of shirts with the stuff. Hard to find in the winter, but....

Luna Bars are the "women's version" of Cliff Bars. (health food bars)

Lunas are smaller and cost more than Cliffs. Double whammy, just for us gals. *feh*

WHO recommended bleach. We used it straight from bottle as recommended by WHO.

You are correct, it's not what it used to be. We used to leave the rig open for a couple hours so it could ventilate

Thanks for the research

Was using Sun laundry soap for years but I would go through a big jug of the stuff in a few months. Switched to Tide because I needed to break a hundred one time (it's expensive, $7 for the largest Sun brand, $18 for the largest Tide) and amazingly a little cup of the stuff was all that was needed to actually get the clothes clean.

3 months later and I still have half a jug. So it seems that it'll last 3 times longer than the Sun brand which comes out to about $1 less for the whole jug.