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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts) Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:01 PM Oct 2012

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MINNESOTA: Viking Punter Chris Kluwe Fires Back At Archbishop Nienstadt

"Tell me, Archbishop, Pope, what purpose does the Church serve attempting to influence the affairs of a secular state? The federal benefits under law currently denied gay couples certainly fall under the realm of Caesar, don’t they? No one is forcing the Catholic Church to marry gay couples if that is not the Church’s wish. You can keep the sanctity of Catholic marriage solely between heterosexual couples if you feel that is what’s required (again though, I caution you on the dangers of presumed infallibility). All we are asking is for you to extend the open hand of tolerance instead of the closed fist of fear and hate.

"As American citizens, we respect the right for everyone to practice whichever religion they so choose, including the right to not practice one at all. Haven’t we learned enough from the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the Talibans of the world? What does it benefit the Church to attempt to influence secular policy in this country, especially when that influence is to deny basic human rights to others? Will you now assume Caesar’s throne, grasping the transitory ephemera of worldly power and control, while forsaking the eternal kingdom of Heaven?" -

Vikings punter Chris Kluwe, firing back at Minnesota Archbishop John Nienstadt's advice to reject gay children.
Entire statement: http://blogs.twincities.com/outofbounds/2012/10/08/out-of-bounds-blog-no-16-matthew-22-39/

You go Kluwe!
Glad you joined the fray.

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MINNESOTA: Viking Punter Chris Kluwe Fires Back At Archbishop Nienstadt (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Oct 2012 OP

Comfy chair! n/t mr_hat Oct 2012 #1

Fang [terrified]: The...Comfy Chair? wakemewhenitsover Oct 2012 #28

I fear... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #35

I love Chris Kluwe! GObamaGO Oct 2012 #2

first i feel sad about alex karris and now i am feeling respect for a mninesota viking dembotoz Oct 2012 #3

I've been a rabid Packer fan for 57 years. #1 - It's entertainment - it's not war, it's a game. AAO Oct 2012 #21

Now I really wish the Seahawks had kept this guy. HankyDub Oct 2012 #29

Think of it this way HankyDub Oct 2012 #30

Just fricking WOW..that man is not only georgous..but articulate and BRILLIANT! angstlessk Oct 2012 #4

I didn't know what he looked like - kind of a Christian Bale lookalike jsmirman Oct 2012 #16

OH. MY. GOD. MsPithy Oct 2012 #20

+1 (n/t) DarleenMB Oct 2012 #39

He was on Stephanie Miller yesterday and he said in a later interview that the one he had with arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #41

Eh.... Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #31

Oh yes he is ... DarleenMB Oct 2012 #38

Darleen, Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #43

GO Vikings! Tsiyu Oct 2012 #45

Screw the viqueens......but I do love Chris Kluwe..... a kennedy Oct 2012 #55

He's my new favorite athlete... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #5

Awesome!!!!! Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #6

I am feeling particularly proud of my state today IVoteDFL Oct 2012 #7

You should! All this from Chris Kluwe and Cha Oct 2012 #9

Welcome to DU geardaddy Oct 2012 #51

Great to hear him speak out like that. It took guts. Whovian Oct 2012 #8

I've been a Giant fan my whole life. Back even when Fran Tarkington was running around busterbrown Oct 2012 #10

Tarkington is WHY I became a Vikings fan! VWolf Oct 2012 #26

Tarkenton played with the Giants for a while too. geardaddy Oct 2012 #53

I've been following him on twitter since he was on "wait, wait. don't tell me" SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #11

Loved him on Wait, Wait! beac Oct 2012 #23

Excellent and educated response. BVictor1 Oct 2012 #12

Powerful, powerful statement. bluedigger Oct 2012 #13

He called into The Stepanie Miller Show yesterday............10/8/12 kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #14

Chris Kluwe also plays bass in his band "Tripping Icarus" riverwalker Oct 2012 #15

We're seeing the beginning of the end of the acceptability of LGBT bigotry and it is wonderful stevenleser Oct 2012 #17

Damn... DirtyDawg Oct 2012 #18

Zowie! What he said! SIDURI Oct 2012 #19

He's married FunMe Oct 2012 #57

There should be "Kluwe 10-8" banners at the rest of the games Thor_MN Oct 2012 #22

More take-no-prisoners truth from Chris Kluwe! beac Oct 2012 #24

Very impressive! pacalo Oct 2012 #25

Hey archbishop, get a Kluwe!!! N/t VWolf Oct 2012 #27

Outstanding. I wish he would run for office. freshwest Oct 2012 #32

For this long, long suffering Vikings Fan donqpublic Oct 2012 #33

Make Minnesota Proud Mary in S. Carolina Oct 2012 #34

I'm developing a crush on Chris Kluwe... n/t BeeBee Oct 2012 #36

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #37

I'm glad the Vikings dumped center Matt Burk Viking12 Oct 2012 #40

And he went to Harvard? hifiguy Oct 2012 #52

Love him! myrna minx Oct 2012 #42

Very well written The Second Stone Oct 2012 #44

Kick and recommended! William769 Oct 2012 #46

From a person who has NO understanding of the message of love and acceptance Christ preached. efhmc Oct 2012 #47

Between Mr. Kluwe and Mr. Ayanbadejo LibertyLover Oct 2012 #48

Now here is the thing that pisses me off about gay guys is toby jo Oct 2012 #49

Kluwe's straight. geardaddy Oct 2012 #54

His brother-in-law is gay FunMe Oct 2012 #58

Kluwe's been on fire since he stood up to Emmett C. Burns Jr. geardaddy Oct 2012 #50

I'm usually pretty negative about sports "stars" going into politics, but for this guy.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #56

mr_hat

(3,410 posts)

1. Comfy chair! n/t

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:03 PM

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wakemewhenitsover

(1,595 posts)

28. Fang [terrified]: The...Comfy Chair?

Reply to mr_hat (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:02 PM

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awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)

35. I fear...

Reply to wakemewhenitsover (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:30 AM

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the pillow poking.

GObamaGO

(665 posts)

2. I love Chris Kluwe!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:11 PM

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dembotoz

(16,806 posts)

3. first i feel sad about alex karris and now i am feeling respect for a mninesota viking

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:13 PM

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damn
do i have to turn in my packer stuff?

AAO

(3,300 posts)

21. I've been a rabid Packer fan for 57 years. #1 - It's entertainment - it's not war, it's a game.

Reply to dembotoz (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:10 PM

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#2 - All my love to Alex Karras. #3 - Bravo, Chris Kluwe, you are a hero .

HankyDub

(246 posts)

29. Now I really wish the Seahawks had kept this guy.

Reply to dembotoz (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:39 PM

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Curses!

HankyDub

(246 posts)

30. Think of it this way

Reply to dembotoz (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:47 PM

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You can always root for the Vikings when they are punting.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)

4. Just fricking WOW..that man is not only georgous..but articulate and BRILLIANT!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:17 PM

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He owns it ALL

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)

16. I didn't know what he looked like - kind of a Christian Bale lookalike

Reply to angstlessk (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:19 PM

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this straight dude says, "that's a handsome man."

MsPithy

(809 posts)

20. OH. MY. GOD.

Reply to angstlessk (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:09 PM

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He IS gorgeous! Don't really follow football, had to look him up.

As a punter, does he really have to wear all that gear? Couldn't he wear like, soccer shorts or something, ... smaller?

DarleenMB

(408 posts)

39. +1 (n/t)

Reply to MsPithy (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:55 AM

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arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)

41. He was on Stephanie Miller yesterday and he said in a later interview that the one he had with

Reply to MsPithy (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:00 PM

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Stephanie was the best interview he had ever had

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)

31. Eh....

Reply to angstlessk (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:50 PM

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He ain't that good looking....

DarleenMB

(408 posts)

38. Oh yes he is ...

Reply to Canuckistanian (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:54 AM

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and his mind is absolutely gorgeous as well.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)

43. Darleen,

Reply to DarleenMB (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:07 PM

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I'm with you, yes he is that good looking. ****sigh******. Certainly not one of those overweight dudes. Love that pic of him without a shirt. Heard him on Stephanie and about the shirtless pic. OH, MY!

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)

45. GO Vikings!

Reply to Bohunk68 (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:39 PM

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Hubba.....

a kennedy

(29,672 posts)

55. Screw the viqueens......but I do love Chris Kluwe.....

Reply to Tsiyu (Reply #45)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:54 PM

Oct 2012

I'm a Green Bay Packer fan, but love this man and his thoughts.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

5. He's my new favorite athlete...

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

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You should cross post in both sports and LGBT groups...

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)

6. Awesome!!!!!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:47 PM

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IVoteDFL

(417 posts)

7. I am feeling particularly proud of my state today

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:56 PM

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I don't follow football, but the vikings have been winning, no? I'm going to start telling fundies that god must approve of gay marriage or Chris Kluwe would miss the thingy when he kicks the ball.

Sorry for my use of the word 'thingy' I really don't follow football.

Cha

(297,275 posts)

9. You should! All this from Chris Kluwe and

Reply to IVoteDFL (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:52 PM

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PBO is up 10 points in Minnesota~

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)

51. Welcome to DU

Reply to IVoteDFL (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:49 PM

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fellow DFLer!

Whovian

(2,866 posts)

8. Great to hear him speak out like that. It took guts.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:03 PM

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Recommended.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)

10. I've been a Giant fan my whole life. Back even when Fran Tarkington was running around

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:53 PM

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beating the hell out of us. But you know what? I know what team I'll be rooting to
make the play-offs!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)

26. Tarkington is WHY I became a Vikings fan!

Reply to busterbrown (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:52 PM

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But I also love big blue, having grown up a couple miles from the meadowlands.

Would be great if the jints also had a player to stand up to the homophobes. Instead, they had that Shockey prick for a couple years.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)

53. Tarkenton played with the Giants for a while too.

Reply to busterbrown (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:59 PM

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)

11. I've been following him on twitter since he was on "wait, wait. don't tell me"

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:55 PM

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He's become my favorite tweeter.

beac

(9,992 posts)

23. Loved him on Wait, Wait!

Reply to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:35 PM

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Here's the link for anyone else who'd like to listen: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=161987224&m=161987601

ESPN writer Kevin Seifert recently described Minnesota Vikings punter Chris Kluwe this way: "Kluwe would fit in perfectly in a group of impossibly smart California mensas who spend half their time working out and (most of) the rest playing video games." Which leads us to believe Kluwe's either the nerdiest player in the NFL, and/or the most athletic nerd in history.

The rest transcript here: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/29/161987224/vikings-punter-chris-kluwe-plays-not-my-job

BVictor1

(229 posts)

12. Excellent and educated response.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:57 PM

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Personally, I think that Chris should either enter politics or become an educator after his stint in the majors. He's quite intelligent and has a grasp of real world issues.

He's also masterful in getting his point across.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)

13. Powerful, powerful statement.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:02 PM

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Kluwe clearly has a future beyond football.

kooljerk666

(776 posts)

14. He called into The Stepanie Miller Show yesterday............10/8/12

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:06 PM

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I had read about him, hearing him was fun. He is a real smart & nice guy.

http://current.com/shows/talking-liberally/videos/vikings-punter-chris-kluwe-scores-big-for-marriage-equality/

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)

15. Chris Kluwe also plays bass in his band "Tripping Icarus"

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:16 PM

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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

17. We're seeing the beginning of the end of the acceptability of LGBT bigotry and it is wonderful

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:24 PM

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to watch in real time.

Bigotry will still be there after this, but it will be as unacceptable as anti-semitism and racism.

DirtyDawg

(802 posts)

18. Damn...

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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:47 PM

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...and a kicker too. Then again I can't see something this obviously thoughtful and intelligent coming from any other position player.

SIDURI

(67 posts)

19. Zowie! What he said!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:02 PM

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I think I'm in love.

FunMe

(192 posts)

57. He's married

Reply to SIDURI (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:18 AM

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So don't tell that to his wife though I think she would appreciate it and understand. Oh her brother is gay ... so that helps explain her husband fighting for the cause for her brother.

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)

22. There should be "Kluwe 10-8" banners at the rest of the games

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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:31 PM

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beac

(9,992 posts)

24. More take-no-prisoners truth from Chris Kluwe!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:39 PM

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pacalo

(24,721 posts)

25. Very impressive!

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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:42 PM

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VWolf

(3,944 posts)

27. Hey archbishop, get a Kluwe!!! N/t

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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:56 PM

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)

32. Outstanding. I wish he would run for office.

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Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:53 PM

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donqpublic

(155 posts)

33. For this long, long suffering Vikings Fan

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:59 PM

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It's damn nice to see something positive in the news associated with the Vikings.

I'll just let that sink in for a few seconds.

Now to you rabid Viking fans, calm the hell down. I know they are 4-1 and playing well, and my commitment to the team is evidenced by the number of Viking players (6 incl the defense) on my FFL team.

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)

34. Make Minnesota Proud

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:04 AM

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I am proud of you, keep up the great work! From a Minnesota Native

BeeBee

(1,074 posts)

36. I'm developing a crush on Chris Kluwe... n/t

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Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:43 AM

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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

37. Kicked and recommended.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:45 AM

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Thanks for the thread, grits.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)

40. I'm glad the Vikings dumped center Matt Burk

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:56 AM

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Beware, reading the following excerpt may induce vomiting...

Let's protect marriage -- and speech

It should come as no surprise that the National Football League supports the right of its players to share their opinions on important public matters, nor should it come as a surprise that I personally support my colleagues' rights to voice their opinions.

But the conversation during the last few weeks on the subject of same-sex marriage has told a different story -- one that appears to be drawing a false connection between supporting true American values like free speech and the institution of marriage, our most fundamental and important social institution.

I think it is important to set the record straight about what the marriage debate is and is not about, and to clarify that not all NFL players think redefining marriage is a good thing.

The union of a man and a woman is privileged and recognized by society as "marriage" for a reason, and it's not because the government has a vested interest in celebrating the love between two people. With good reason, government recognizes marriages and gives them certain legal benefits so they can provide a stable, nurturing environment for the next generation of citizens: our kids.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171850721.html

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)

52. And he went to Harvard?

Reply to Viking12 (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:51 PM

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I yam diskappointed, I tells ya. Glad he's in Baltimore.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)

42. Love him!

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:03 PM

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The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)

44. Very well written

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:20 PM

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to the point, forceful and not nasty.

William769

(55,147 posts)

46. Kick and recommended!

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Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:52 PM

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efhmc

(14,726 posts)

47. From a person who has NO understanding of the message of love and acceptance Christ preached.

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Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:39 PM

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So sad to think of him as a religious leader.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)

48. Between Mr. Kluwe and Mr. Ayanbadejo

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:19 PM

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I am very proud of football players who wear purple uniforms! GO VIKINGS! GO RAVENS!

toby jo

(1,269 posts)

49. Now here is the thing that pisses me off about gay guys is

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:18 PM

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are they all so damn good-looking? You can go out and they will never ever look at you THAT way. They'll turn to the dude next to them or across the room and HE gets the LOOK. It just PISSES ME OFF.

So, Chris, dear, you missed one. Right over our dear pope's head it went. He 's not into spirit, they haven't been for a good 1800 years or so, he's a shit. That's all. FUll of traumatized, tortured, murdered souls who went down under his thumb, for no good reason.

You missed.

That's a point for the ladies, alright? Deal with it.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)

54. Kluwe's straight.

Reply to toby jo (Reply #49)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:03 PM

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FunMe

(192 posts)

58. His brother-in-law is gay

Reply to geardaddy (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:21 AM

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That would be the brother of Chris' wife.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)

50. Kluwe's been on fire since he stood up to Emmett C. Burns Jr.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:42 PM

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who said that NFL players should be sanctioned for speaking their minds.

Way to go Chris!

Plus, Chris Kluwe shops at my local guitar store Twin Town Guitars http://www.twintown.com/store/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=13

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)

56. I'm usually pretty negative about sports "stars" going into politics, but for this guy....