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PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:25 PM Feb 2021

Fox/WSJ Pure Evil - Frozen Wind Turbine Lies

Fox, WSJ and conservatives take advantage of winter storms to tell lies about wind turbines/renewable energy. How are we supposed to combat climate change with such aggressive support of fossil-fuel industry lies?

A current focus is Texas where frozen wind turbines are being blamed for power outages, but the state’s independent, outdated grid and unreliable natural gas generation are the real cause.

See facts here.

There needs to be SERIOUS pushback against these dangerous lies!

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Amishman

(5,559 posts)
1. From what I'm reading it's many things
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:30 PM
Feb 2021

But overall this is a freak storm, and we as a whole have not been willing to shoulder the costs of building a robust and redundant power grid.

It's not just Texas either, look at all of CA's struggles.

With climate change looming, the whole country needs to wake up and bolster our infrastructure. While we are at it, we can work to secure it from human sabotage - it is a big soft target for enemies foreign and domestic

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Everything I read did not blame wind turbines as the major contributor. In fact, one source
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:37 PM
Feb 2021

reported that 23% of Texas energy is from wind. I find that extremely encouraging, although half of them supposedly froze up in this storm. I would think it would be relatively easy to take precautions in future.

I did not read FOX reports. I don't doubt they blamed everything from wind turbines to Obama.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
9. Texas didn't have the cold weather packages installed.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:21 PM
Feb 2021

Turbines can have heated gearboxes and leading edges, but it's an extra cost when purchased. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.

Sogo

(4,997 posts)
3. Ask them how those of us in Iowa get about 40% of our
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:45 PM
Feb 2021

power from wind and don't have frozen turbines....

There are turbines that are built for the cold and have heating systems to keep them from freezing. It's no surprise that the turbines in Texas were not equipped with this option.

To say that wind energy is inherently unreliable because of a regional design difference is, indeed, dishonest.


 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
4. Some shit heel who fancies himself a "debater" is spreading the same nonsense close to home ahem
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:47 PM
Feb 2021

Such a clown show.

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
7. This should be the method going forward
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:13 PM
Feb 2021

After all was said and done, Dominion suing for billions had the biggest impact in all the post Jan6 ruckus. Money talks.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
8. I think there are also other issues....
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:15 PM
Feb 2021

Like Texas not being integrated into the National energy grid and a higher reliance on electricity for heating (hence higher demand at the same time you are having issues generating electricity).

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
10. It is a fundamental of Engineering Design
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:23 PM
Feb 2021

That we only design for the conditions we are likely to experience. All code requirements are essentially statistical representations of what an object might experience in its lifetime. They could have been designed with the same features as wind turbines installed further north but the people making that decision didn't expect to see those temperatures in Texas. Perhaps they were wrong to make that assumption but this seems pretty damn out of the ordinary to me.

Sometimes Mother Nature surprises us.

We have the ability to anticipate potential extremes in all cases but you can quickly overdesign to the point of pricing yourself out of viability. Especially since cold isn't the only potential extreme. To be truly resilient, an object would have to be designed for extremes of all kinds including heat, wind, flood, earthquake, etc.

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