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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts) Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:23 PM Oct 2012

"Paul Ryan's car crash anecdote to Joe Biden in poor taste during Vice Presidential debate?"

During a segment of the Vice Presidential debate where Paul Ryan and Joe Biden were asked about struggling Americans, Ryan brought up an anecdote about a couple he and Governor Romney met in Massachusetts.

The couple were in a car crash that left two of their sons paralyzed and Romney told the couple don't worry about college for those boys, he'll pay for it.

There was some criticism on Twitter following that anecdote because in 1972, Vice President Biden lost his wife and baby daughter in a car accident. His sons were also in the car, but were spared.

Biden says, "I don't doubt [Governor Romney's] personal generosity, and I know what its like. When I was a little younger than the congressman, my wife was in an accident. [It] killed my daughter and my wife, and my two sons survived. The one thing you can give people is solace to know that if you've been through it, they can make it."

Do you think Ryan put his foot in his mouth by bringing that up?

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/10/paul-ryans-car-crash-anecdote-to-joe-biden-in-poor-taste-during-vice-presidential-debate.html

Is there any doubt that Ryan/Romney had that little anecdote prepared to throw Biden off if the debate wasn't going Ryan's way?

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"Paul Ryan's car crash anecdote to Joe Biden in poor taste during Vice Presidential debate?" (Original Post) apples and oranges Oct 2012 OP

Very wrong... Fearless Oct 2012 #1

Little shit Lyan Ryan does not fall far from the asshole Willard Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #2

they went to the same Church, seems romney only helps those who go to the same church JI7 Oct 2012 #3

Typical Republican... Freedomofspeech Oct 2012 #4

Can they get any lower and slimier? Freddie Oct 2012 #29

I think the slimy, little fucker brought it up intentionally. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #5

Intentional and a miscalculation. nt Incitatus Oct 2012 #12

How does that go....Awoke the sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible rage??? Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #22

It didn't throw him off his game and it made Ryan look like an asshole. nt Incitatus Oct 2012 #24

It was stupid either way. randome Oct 2012 #17

He probably didn't know about Biden's tragedy, he was trying to show how compassionate ThomThom Oct 2012 #18

I don't buy it for a minute that he didn't know. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #19

then he was really stupid to raise the issue ThomThom Oct 2012 #21

Yes. He was stupid on many levels. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #23

it came up in the 2008 Debate with Palin JI7 Oct 2012 #25

The most important takeaway from that is that Rmoney may be generous to individuals klook Oct 2012 #6

absolutely... tk2kewl Oct 2012 #16

Ryan knew he was born in Scranton LTR Oct 2012 #7

Ryan did it on purpose to upset VP Biden. flyguyjake Oct 2012 #8

I thought so, too! hedgehog Oct 2012 #20

That didn't occur to me at the time. I was too busy wondering what that family's gkhouston Oct 2012 #9

They are Mormons who went to Romney's temple. Romneys only give to Mormons. Care Acutely Oct 2012 #15

Cynical and insincere to the max. vanlassie Oct 2012 #10

Ryan's was transparently insincere LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #11

It was tacky and ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #13

Bad move.. Kalidurga Oct 2012 #14

And actually AC_Mem Oct 2012 #30

I think it's Mitt Romney's car that has crashed... Blue Owl Oct 2012 #26

I thought it was intentional attempt to through Biden off his game liberal N proud Oct 2012 #27

I want to know if Mitt ever made good on his promise. louis-t Oct 2012 #28

Was the promise his personal promise? IggleDoer Oct 2012 #31

Fearless

(18,421 posts)

1. Very wrong...

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:24 PM

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And I'm actually surprised Joe didn't hit him back harder. Perhaps the sympathy points will help to though.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)

2. Little shit Lyan Ryan does not fall far from the asshole Willard

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:26 PM

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JI7

(89,258 posts)

3. they went to the same Church, seems romney only helps those who go to the same church

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:27 PM

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Freedomofspeech

(4,227 posts)

4. Typical Republican...

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:27 PM

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They cannot stoop any lower.

Freddie

(9,269 posts)

29. Can they get any lower and slimier?

Reply to Freedomofspeech (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:48 PM

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Yes. Just when you think they can't get any more loathesome, they outdo themselves.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

5. I think the slimy, little fucker brought it up intentionally.

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:27 PM

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He probably thought he was going to throw Biden off his game by reminding him of his dead first wife and daughter.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)

12. Intentional and a miscalculation. nt

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:35 PM

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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)

22. How does that go....Awoke the sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible rage???

Reply to Incitatus (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:09 PM

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Possibly....

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)

24. It didn't throw him off his game and it made Ryan look like an asshole. nt

Reply to Junkdrawer (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:28 PM

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randome

(34,845 posts)

17. It was stupid either way.

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:23 AM

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If it was intentional, Ryan should have known Biden was strong enough to bounce back from such a pathetic attempt.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)

18. He probably didn't know about Biden's tragedy, he was trying to show how compassionate

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:26 AM

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Romney is. I think it back fired and he never recovered, it was down hill from then on.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

19. I don't buy it for a minute that he didn't know.

Reply to ThomThom (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:09 PM

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It's not a big secret. I came up numerous times during the 2008 campaign.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)

21. then he was really stupid to raise the issue

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:05 PM

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because it set the tone for the whole debate after that

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

23. Yes. He was stupid on many levels.

Reply to ThomThom (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:26 PM

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One being that he grossly underestimated his opponent by trying to pull that shit.

JI7

(89,258 posts)

25. it came up in the 2008 Debate with Palin

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:30 PM

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it's a well known part of Biden's life. when he was picked as VP it was one of the things mentioned when they were giving background on him. that was only 4 years ago.

klook

(12,160 posts)

6. The most important takeaway from that is that Rmoney may be generous to individuals

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

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but the Democratic agenda is to uplift all Americans. Joe Biden embodies that ethic and works his ass off for us every day.

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)

16. absolutely...

Reply to klook (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:19 AM

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Q: What happens to the kids that get paralyzed in car accidents that don't know mitt robme?

A: That is why we need the social safety-net.

LTR

(13,227 posts)

7. Ryan knew he was born in Scranton

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:29 PM

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He did his homework. Meaning he DEFINITELY knew about Biden's first wife and daughter being killed in a car accident. So it was a pretty low blow on his part. Thankfully, Biden handled it very well.

flyguyjake

(492 posts)

8. Ryan did it on purpose to upset VP Biden.

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:31 PM

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Disgraceful!!!

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)

20. I thought so, too!

Reply to flyguyjake (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:31 PM

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gkhouston

(21,642 posts)

9. That didn't occur to me at the time. I was too busy wondering what that family's

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:31 PM

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account of that event would be like. Somehow, I suspect they remember things differently.

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)

15. They are Mormons who went to Romney's temple. Romneys only give to Mormons.

Reply to gkhouston (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:48 PM

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Everyone else is damned.

vanlassie

(5,679 posts)

10. Cynical and insincere to the max.

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:31 PM

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We're supposed to be impressed that Romney designated some of his mandatory church tithe to someone specific? Give me a break.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)

11. Ryan's was transparently insincere

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:34 PM

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AND it allowed Biden to bring up his own personal history which he recounted in an extremely effective way

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)

13. It was tacky and

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:36 PM

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low-life....just like Ryan.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)

14. Bad move..

Reply to apples and oranges (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:42 PM

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Worse yet, it says nothing about Republican policies. Well I guess that is good for Republicans, because people hate their policies.

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)

30. And actually

Reply to Kalidurga (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:14 PM

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Under the RMoney/Lyin Ryan plan, the kids wouldn't have had insurance, or they could have taken their paper vouchers - which would have covered a week or so of treatment, or . Good thing the Mormon church has their own welfare/food stamp system tho.