everytime he saw it.

Sometimes he did it with a grin.

I support the grin.

Sometimes you just have to laugh at the wacky GOP.

The grin is a positive and hit a home run with me because everytime Ryan opened his pie hole, I had to laugh at him as well.

Ryan is laughable. Smokin Joe drove that point home.

This isn't the Nixon/Kennedy series. This isn't about "looking Presidential". Romney threw the kid gloves off and destroyed that concept.

Joe just beat them at their own game.

That's what you do with LIARs - ridicule the fugging ReTHUG scumbags.

He was magnificent! Thanks Joe. You have hit your highest political point tonight.

we are generous!

She prefers Eddie Munster

She is also senile

He made Ryan fumble the ball
Joe only made one mistake--not hammering Ryan more as being one of the abortion extremists But he took the ball away.

And he put down a template for POTUS to loosely follow. POTUS should also look at what Warren did last night. THiS is how you deal with liars


Those who think Ryan won are on payroll, delusional, or uninformed

debates. They're playing as a team.

I agree on Biden, but my gut says that in the first debate on theatrics alone - Romney was so uncomfortable to watch, phoney and flighty, that it can't give him more than a Pyrrhic win. When my gut factors in substance...

of the facts.

Biden has a smirk and Ryan won hands down. They all thought Biden was rude and ineffective. Since those that had their mind made up saw what they wanted to see.... whether from the right or the left... it will be interesting to find out how the truly independents saw it.

YM

There's your answer!

The freepers are trying to load up the online polls, but they mean nothing. That CBS poll is killer. Biden with a 19 point edge over the all-important undecideds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014264107

I was hoping it would turn out that way. My right wing Family members are so easy to predict! All of them are reinforcing each others opinion. All thought Biden did very poorly. lol

Thanks Again...

YM

.. and the central focus of the debate last night is Biden's smile, I may put my foot through my TV.

You have a night where a VP candidate lays out a different plan than his running mate laid out just the day before on abortion. This after they were accused of flip-flopping on the issue, they did it AGAIN.

You have a VP candidate speaking in terms of privatization of SS.

You have a VP candidate not denying he would voucherize Medicare, but instead wanted to call it 'premium support'.

You have a VP candidate who criticizes the current administration on nearly every foreign policy front, but then agrees with what they are doing at the same time.

You have a VP candidate who refuses to answer whether he and his running mates tax plan will go after the home mortgage deduction. That on top of refusing to answer ANYTHING about his tax plan.

You have SO many things that are major issues that were raised, and have new information that was brought to light. Social Security, Medicare, abortion, Iran, home mortgage deduction, stimulus, etc., all brought up with new info. And the possibility is from all this new info is that we will end up talking about a smile?

Hell, the direct question to Paul Ryan about if he and Mitt would target the home mortgage deduction, and Paul Ryan COMPLETELY avoiding answering this, should be the SINGLE BIGGEST THING taken away from this debate.

I honestly cannot understand how that wasn't the #1 talking point coming out of this debate. The media should be hammering him over that.

you declare winners to be self-evident, but then go on to say you disagreed with the consensus after the Obama / Romney debate.

I always appreciate your thoughtful and well written posts. You're the best commentator on DU, IMHO, with The Magistrate being second.

I am soooo glad to see you weigh in, I logged in to DU3 just to kick and like your thread!

We see what we want to see and reinforce our previously held opinions.

It was very evident in the days following the first debate.

It seems to be popping up after this one as well. Biden did well and accomplished his goal, I think, of reassuring the base but general consensus is that it was close or a draw (outside of the DU bubble.) I think that's pretty accurate.

My $.02...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

same debate??

We just interpreted it differently.

which translates to passion for the viewers.

Obama simply barely showed up and and apparently shut down part way through (my teevee shut down early on so I only saw the beginning. and I was *glad* my teevee shut down so I had an excuse to miss it after the first couple minutes).

The only reason the media has any spin for Ryan is because he stayed there. He didn't curl up in a fetal ball. He unintentionally gave us great laughs with his baldfaced lies and absolute gall toward the end (It snows in winter. Really? D'ya think?). He may have only had little twigs to throw at Biden, but he kept throwing them and managed not to pee in his pants despite downing a few gallons of clear liquid.

Obama needs to quit worrying about looking like an "angry black man." At this point, that's in his head, not the world's. He shows passion in his speeches. He needs to trust his gut, say what he believes and show passion in the debates. He needs to be there.

"A favorite moment: Biden explaining that if these 'vouchers' actually kept pace with health care costs, the Republicans would not be pushing them because they would not actually save any money."