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Top Romney Adviser Admits Romney LIED in Debate Tonight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021465416

Romney Pulls Double-Arabian, Takes Back "ObamaCare" support (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021309321

Her big thing is states/individual rights. I'm trying to look, but not having much luck. I think she's referencing the idea that uninsured "must" buy insurance.

like acquire insurance!!!

under rmoney/ryan. Problem is they lie.

They say they want to do away with 'Obamacare,' which requires coverage of pre-existing conditions, and they have no substitute bill, just b.s. Its really not reasonable to discuss this about what they will do; only thing that's pretty certain is they'd try to do away with Obamacare.

As to the 'mandate,' unfortunately the program can't work if people aren't required to obtain coverage if they are able to do so; this was the case in Massachusetts, where rmoney 'invented' Obamacare.

Self-sufficiency is fine, but as an easterner MAYBE she can understand that many/most people CAN'T handle healthcare on their own.

That's a biggie!

The Massachusetts health care insurance reform law, St. 2006, c.58,[1][2] informally referred to as Romneycare, enacted in 2006, mandates that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a state-government-regulated minimum level of healthcare insurance coverage and provides free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

This is the kind of info I need. I can't just say "Romney's a liar." She's way too brainwashed.

The only think I've said about him is that he seems to have no moral compass and this frightens me. She asked what a moral compass is!

As to what's a moral compass? 'How do the horses (in Wyoming) know where to go and what to do, what is right, what is wrong, during their days/months/years? Something inside of themselves 'tells' them, its part of nature; some feel it more strongly than others.'

Any many who goes to church every week, doesn't drink or smoke, etc...
I don't want to say that a psychopath could easily fit her description and then go out and kill someone. So, I'm staying away from the moral compass debate.

and whose proposals change every day!
Good luck! Have fun!

Why did you think they weren't? That is the reason people have been calling Romney such a hypocrite when he bashes Obamacare. It is essentially the same plan he implemented in Massachusetts.

It's been so helpful to have this info. I'm writing my followup to her now. We'll see what she says to it. I'll post it.

In his world, ONLY those who have insurance policies already can't be denied coverage, or have their coverage terminated. If you're uninsured, though, you can, and WILL, be denied. It is a massively HUGE difference.

If you are going to cover pre-existing conditions, you have to have a mandate. It would not work if you waited until after you get sick to buy insurance. Just have your friend think about what that would do for costs.

"Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage"

maintain - you must already have insurance in order to maintain it. His promise does not apply to the 49.9 million people who are currently uninsured - many of whom cannot currently obtain insurance because of pre-existing conditions. You cannot maintain what you do not have.

continuous - if you somehow already have insurance, you must not allow any gaps. If you lose your job and can't afford COBRA, tough luck. If you somehow obtained insurance, if you allow it to lapse because you can no longer afford premiums that (for my 22 year old daughter, for example, are around $1500 a month for the only insurance she is eligible to purchase as a person with a pre-existing condition), you are out of luck.

And, for the record, both pieces of that guarantee have been in place since around 2000 as part of the 1996 HIPAA law. You can see how well that has worked to help people with pre-existing conditions.

So what Romney is promising is that when he repeals the Affordable Care Act he will not also repeal that portion of the 1996 HIPAA law.

Really appreciate everyone's help. Please let me know if you have more ideas.

Good job!

I've been working with a group on returning civility to political discussions - so seeing at least one side of conversations like this make me happy!

I've written on DU about lack of civility and name-calling. I'm trying hard to keep my conversation with this friend polite and even constructive.