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Bertha Venation

(21,484 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:13 AM Oct 2012

Did Thomas Jefferson really say this?

"Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, 'democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.'"

An excerpt from a letter sent by David Siegel to his employees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html

From this article:

"David Siegel, the founder and CEO of giant timeshare company Westgate resorts, sent an opus-like email to his workers, railing against one-percent bashing and arguing that the president’s reelection would “threaten your job.” In the email, obtained by Gawker, Siegel goes on to write:

"'If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company.'"

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Did Thomas Jefferson really say this? (Original Post) Bertha Venation Oct 2012 OP
No, see below. sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #1
thank you, sinkingfeeling Bertha Venation Oct 2012 #12
Jefferson lived in a time before the Industrial & Computer revolutions aletier_v Oct 2012 #2
also, Jeffereson didn't say it Enrique Oct 2012 #6
And the obsession with "Free Trade" ToxMarz Oct 2012 #9
My interpretation of "those who would not", whether this quote is attributable kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #3
No, it is something Cal Thomas made up cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #4
That would be Cal "used to be the #2 man in the Moral Majority" Thomas? JHB Oct 2012 #7
Must be nice to just make shit up, huh? deutsey Oct 2012 #8
No, this is not a Jefferson quote, but let us all make believe it is obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #5
I don't know if he said that or not, but I do know he didn't ... dawg Oct 2012 #10
the quote smells, stylistically that is not 18th century English nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #11
"I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company.... wtmusic Oct 2012 #13
no barbtries Oct 2012 #14
If I was a Republican, I would vote Democratic this election. ieoeja Oct 2012 #15
The workers are the ones with the skill, CEOs push papers around all day exploiting them. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #16
Good article on quotes made up by right-wingers.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #17
Only in the same reality that Paul Revere rang bells and fired warning shots. NoGOPZone Oct 2012 #18
Jefferson wrote the constitution??? hootinholler Oct 2012 #19

sinkingfeeling

(51,466 posts)
1. No, see below.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:15 AM
Oct 2012
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-will-cease-to-exist-quotation

Status: This exact quotation has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears a very vague resemblance to Jefferson's comment in a prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, —the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.'"[3]

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
2. Jefferson lived in a time before the Industrial & Computer revolutions
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Oct 2012

The problem with today's world is that work is finite, as finite as water or oil.

The means of production were so low in Jefferson's time that they never ran up against the finite quality of work.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
6. also, Jeffereson didn't say it
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:21 AM
Oct 2012

further, that Siegel guy has zero interest in Jefferson, the Constitution, anything else. He just wants more money.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
9. And the obsession with "Free Trade"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:31 AM
Oct 2012

In Jeffersons day and for quite some time the US had tariffs on goods imported that unfairly competed with products produced here. That has pretty much gone by the wayside and laws favor the free movement of capital around the world. Labor on the other hand is not free to move around the globe.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. My interpretation of "those who would not", whether this quote is attributable
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:18 AM
Oct 2012

to Jefferson or not (and since this comes from a RWer I assume it is not, in fact), is "those who REFUSE to work".

Mr. Siegel is an ass. His taxes go to pay mostly for infrastructure and military (which I guarantee you he loves) and government services for the populace. Social Security and Medicare are not payments to those who refuse to work. So his only legitimate beef is AFDC and general welfare (which virtually no one can get anymore, and only for a brief time).

He needs to suck it up or move to Somalia.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
4. No, it is something Cal Thomas made up
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:19 AM
Oct 2012

Te closest thing Jefferson said to that is:

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, —the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.'"

JHB

(37,161 posts)
7. That would be Cal "used to be the #2 man in the Moral Majority" Thomas?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oct 2012

Just reminding people of his context, a reminder of why he has a column.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
8. Must be nice to just make shit up, huh?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oct 2012

Those of us in the reality-based community don't have that luxury.

obamanut2012

(26,086 posts)
5. No, this is not a Jefferson quote, but let us all make believe it is
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012

He also endorsed slavery as a necessary evil and holding a tiger by its tail, so...

dawg

(10,624 posts)
10. I don't know if he said that or not, but I do know he didn't ...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

author the Constitution. So I'm pretty sure Mr. Siegel is an idiot.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. the quote smells, stylistically that is not 18th century English
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

One more thing, the Constitution, which Jefferson had nothing to do with, he was the US Ambassador in Paris, is not the Declaration, which Jefferson did indeed pen.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
13. "I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company....
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

because selling my $16M yacht is out of the question."

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
15. If I was a Republican, I would vote Democratic this election.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

Because I don't respond well to threats.


OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
17. Good article on quotes made up by right-wingers....
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

The Right’s Library of Fake Quotes
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4053

QUOTE:

Abraham Lincoln despised class warfare, Thomas Jefferson detested bailouts and the founders of the nation were all Bible-believing Christians. These are among the historical “facts” you’ll learn as a regular consumer of talk radio, Fox News and other conservative sources.

While non-conservatives have been known to misquote historical figures to add credibility to their own views, the right seems to have a special enthusiasm for putting words in dead people’s mouths.

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
18. Only in the same reality that Paul Revere rang bells and fired warning shots.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:51 AM
Oct 2012

Which is to say, Republican reality, where history is invented after the fact.

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