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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:36 AM Oct 2012

Biden: "they talk about this Great Recession (as) if it fell out of the sky"

Last edited Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:25 PM - Edit history (1)

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: ...they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, oh my goodness, where did it come from? It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion- dollar tax cut for a -- very wealthy. I was there. I voted against him. I said, no, we can’t afford that. And now all of a sudden these guys are so seized with a concern about the debt that they created --

MS. RADDATZ: Congressman Ryan.

REP. RYAN: Let’s not forget that they came in with one-party control. When Barack Obama was elected, his party controlled everything. They had the ability to do everything of their choosing, and look at where we are right now...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/us/politics/full-transcript-of-the-vice-presidential-debate.html


Analysis: Paul Ryan Voted to Add $6.8 Trillion to the Federal Debt



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/17/708191/analysis-paul-ryan-votes-deficit/

Still, let's look "where we are right now"

Consumer sentiment jumps to highest in five years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021524362

US foreclosure filings hit 5-year low in September
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021524362#post5

More Good News: CBO Reports Deficit is down another $200 Billion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021483690

Jobless claims show sharp improvement, drop to Obama-era low
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021512207


The death of a talking point

By Steve Benen



If I had a nickel for every time Mitt Romney has said the unemployment rate has been above 8% throughout the Obama presidency, I'd have, well, nearly as much money as Mitt Romney.

Today, however, the talking point died. The unemployment rate fell unexpectedly, dropping from 8.1% to 7.8%.

As we've discussed before, decreases in the jobless rate are not always good news -- the figure sometimes falls when discouraged Americans drop out of the workforce altogether -- but that's the case with the new data. The employment-to-population ratio went up, job creation went up, and the labor force went up.

In other words, the drop in the unemployment rate is heartening, not discouraging.

And given that there's a presidential election in 32 days, the figure carries a heavy political salience. In February 2009, President Obama's first full month in office, the jobless rate was 8.3% and climbing. As of today, it's 7.8% and falling.

- more -

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/05/14241839-the-death-of-a-talking-point



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Biden: "they talk about this Great Recession (as) if it fell out of the sky" (Original Post) ProSense Oct 2012 OP
I love that Biden remark. begin_within Oct 2012 #1
Me too! GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #20
I just wish Joe would have responded to this lie: Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #2
Agreed. jsr Oct 2012 #5
And salinen Oct 2012 #6
This would have been so sweet! jmowreader Oct 2012 #16
That would have been perfect!! Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #17
Yeah, that was definitely a high point! ananda Oct 2012 #3
No you miserable little shit. NO! Your illegitimate and piss-poor excuse for a President... Raster Oct 2012 #4
It's like they're pretending Bush never existed. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #7
THEY ARE PRETENDING BUSH* NEVER EXISTED! Raster Oct 2012 #8
"Falcor, it's like The Nothing never was" hfojvt Oct 2012 #12
did he really forget to say "as"? hfojvt Oct 2012 #9
Copied from the transcript, but updated the OP title. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #11
Loves me some Maddow blog! Her information is virtually always solid and she's the first to admit Whovian Oct 2012 #10
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #13
Kick! n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #14
Why isn't any of the economic news being reflected in the polls? ProSense Oct 2012 #15
I would like to know about that, too. nt Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #18
The pundit went from harping on the economy ProSense Oct 2012 #19
Or attacking the unemployment number as being manipulated. nt Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #22
Dems just sit obediently as they spew their BS upi402 Oct 2012 #21
k+r. nt. andym Oct 2012 #23
I hope this debate ended Ryan's career aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #24
They'll label him a rising star ProSense Oct 2012 #25

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
2. I just wish Joe would have responded to this lie:
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:41 AM
Oct 2012

"When Barack Obama was elected, his party controlled everything. They had the ability to do everything of their choosing, and look at where we are right now..."


We all know they only had enough votes in the Senate for a very short time.

 

salinen

(7,288 posts)
6. And
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:53 AM
Oct 2012

they broke filibuster records to make the senate only have a 60 vote potential, which makes it impossible for either party to move.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
16. This would have been so sweet!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:29 PM
Oct 2012

"Congressman, there have been 273 Republican filibusters. The reason we got into this mess is you and President Bush maxing out the country's credit card. Even if your party would help fix the mess it created, which it won't, it will take many more than four years to solve this."

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
17. That would have been perfect!!
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:25 AM
Oct 2012

I am sick of them getting away the false claim that Obama had "two years" to do whatever he wanted. It is a lie!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
4. No you miserable little shit. NO! Your illegitimate and piss-poor excuse for a President...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oct 2012

...got us into these messes.

  1. It was cheney*/bush* that started not one, BUT TWO, unnecessary wars of vanity and greed;
  2. It was cheney*/bush* that allowed big pharma to essentially write the rules for the Medicare prescription benefit, specifically including the provision THAT PROHIBITED the government for negotiating for optimum and bulk pricing for drugs and services;
  3. It was cheney*/bush* that pushed through yet another tax cut for the wealthiest of the wealthy, assuring everyone that the benefits would just trickle down to us all, when they KNEW that would not be the case; and finally
  4. It was cheney*/bush* that allowed the worst terrorist attacks against the United States ON OUR OWN SOIL because of their ineptitude, ignoring all warnings and intelligence and perhaps even collaboration.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. THEY ARE PRETENDING BUSH* NEVER EXISTED!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

Even the most mentally-challenged knows the cheney*/bush* pResidency -- besides being completely illigetimate -- was one worst things to happen to this country.

Was ol' Gee-Dubya* at their pitiful excuse for a convention? NO! Just little bro Jeb* whining about everyone picking on Gee-Dubya*. I would say to the bush* family to pull on their big boy pants, but they'd have to take them off Condoleeza Rice* first.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
9. did he really forget to say "as"?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

It came from Republican seeds which produced a harvest of woe, from Republican chickens coming home to roost. From 3 million lost jobs in the last year of the Bush administration.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
10. Loves me some Maddow blog! Her information is virtually always solid and she's the first to admit
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

when a mistake has been made. First class woman all the way!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. Why isn't any of the economic news being reflected in the polls?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

Curious, the unemployment rate drops and still no movement in the polls.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
19. The pundit went from harping on the economy
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:38 AM
Oct 2012

and mentioning Romney's talking points to zero mention since the unemployment rate went down.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
21. Dems just sit obediently as they spew their BS
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:47 AM
Oct 2012

Ever wonder why??????????

There needs to be a return of the party that would push back against that crap.

Absent.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
24. I hope this debate ended Ryan's career
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:16 PM
Oct 2012

The distortion and lies you mention should haunt him for the rest of his political life.

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