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FSogol

(45,504 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:40 AM Oct 2012

I am the only one who thinks that the "undecided voters" that these news

organizations find to sample after everything are phony? I know a lot of people on both sides and know a lot of people who don't care at all about politics and never vote, but I don't know anyone who is undecided. A few republicans always claim that they are undecided, but always seem to vote Republican at the last minute usually with some nonsensical statement like, "I am most concerned with the environment, so I voted against Al Gore." or "This country gets involved in to many wars, so I'm voting for John McCain.".

IMO, the "Undecided voter " is either the totally clueless or just additional GOP shenanigans.

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I am the only one who thinks that the "undecided voters" that these news (Original Post) FSogol Oct 2012 OP
+1 There's MORE access information now than there was even 5 years ago. To be undecided now is uponit7771 Oct 2012 #1
Obama invaded Iraq, so I'm voting for rmoney. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #2
LOL! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #5
Unfortunately, that is a quote from sister in law. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #8
I don't know anyone who is "undecided" MgtPA Oct 2012 #3
They remind me... liberalmuse Oct 2012 #4
you got it right on some I saw interviewed on TV. :D JackN415 Oct 2012 #15
Can't agree Glitterati Oct 2012 #6
there are so few undecided voters this year. that alone makes it ridiculous. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #7
Most of those "undecideds" have no intention of voting anyway Glitterati Oct 2012 #9
They are "attention prostitutes" to put it bluntly. They want their fifteen minutes. MADem Oct 2012 #10
My brother is an undecided voter meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #11
you add to my opinion marions ghost Oct 2012 #12
I agree meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #13
so thanx for your vote cancelling his! marions ghost Oct 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author JackN415 Oct 2012 #14
This isn't an easy election for some people and that is why they are undecided Democratopia Oct 2012 #16
and that's why I have little faith in many americans newspeak Oct 2012 #20
And the election is "so close" because the talking heads told you it was? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #24
CNN's poll WAS NOT "undecideds" it was "debate watchers" Viking12 Oct 2012 #17
Thanks for pointing that out Viking. That makes the CBS poll much more important. Democratopia Oct 2012 #19
You're welcome. I started a new thread to giv this point greater attention. Viking12 Oct 2012 #30
I think many/most on TV are phony alc Oct 2012 #18
if you are socially liberal and fiscally conservative the Democrats are your natural home. Democratopia Oct 2012 #21
after eight nightmarish years of little boot's newspeak Oct 2012 #23
That's why it is so important for the religious right and repugs to destroy education meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #25
Idiocracy was more satire and comedy Risen Demon Oct 2012 #29
Undecided voter?? Flashmann Oct 2012 #26
Gene Wilder says it best about undecided voters. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #27
One woman in the MSNBC focus group was an obvious GOP plant tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #28
Who does the media serve? If it were the masses, they'd be talking about valerief Oct 2012 #31
Nope, you're not. GOP shenanigans is my guess. If they succeed in stealing it, redqueen Oct 2012 #32
There is that small number of people who go from one side to another after watching debates, etc. Michigan Alum Oct 2012 #33
Those on TVs are phonies. I do know some of them who are more like "don't care" than undecided. JackN415 Oct 2012 #34

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
1. +1 There's MORE access information now than there was even 5 years ago. To be undecided now is
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:41 AM
Oct 2012

...a person not paying attention or just doesn't give a damn

fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
5. LOL!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:43 AM
Oct 2012

I actually know a few of those . . . and I'm ashamed to admit it, but I even have some in my family . . . (sigh)

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
3. I don't know anyone who is "undecided"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:42 AM
Oct 2012

I'd be embarrassed to go on national television and say "Gee, I don't know..."

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
4. They remind me...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:42 AM
Oct 2012

of those people with Münchausen syndrome. I think they do it to get attention and to be made to feel "special". I don't think half of them will even make it to the polls on election day.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
6. Can't agree
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
Oct 2012

I know lots of folks who just don't have time for the news. Or would watch the news ONLY if they were hogtied in front of a television with news on.

I know lots of Moms who are so busy with work, getting dinner on, getting homework done, getting the kids bathed and put to bed on time, that don't have a SECOND in their day to watch the news.

I know LOTS of homes where "News" gets put on the television by ACCIDENT only.

on edit:
And, while, these people intend to vote, come election day, they'll just be "too busy."

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
9. Most of those "undecideds" have no intention of voting anyway
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oct 2012

They'll be way too busy come election day.

Which is probably a very good thing for our nation.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. They are "attention prostitutes" to put it bluntly. They want their fifteen minutes.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:56 AM
Oct 2012

Some are political, some are just nitwits who don't have a Kardashian-Real Housewives lifestyle and this is the closest they'll get to having a reality show on TV.

SNL did a funny piece on "undecideds." It basically called them screeching idiots.

Ignore Wolf Blitzer:

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
11. My brother is an undecided voter
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

And he keeps talking about how undecided voters like him will decide the election and seems to revel in this false sense of importance. And I know damned well in the end he will vote for Romney. But I think he enjoys thinking he holds so much power in the election.

I know undecided voters are important, but I really think swing state voters and turnout trump that small sliver of undecided voters. And I'm with you, how can someone be so undecided at this late in the game. I just don't get it. People like that must be paralyzed daily by having to make decisions

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
12. you add to my opinion
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

that most "undecideds" are Republicans who don't want to own it beforehand but will go in and scratch the card for Rmoney anyway.

Very very few people don't know what they'll do by now.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
13. I agree
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
Oct 2012

He did this in 2008 - all puffed up about how he was an undecided voter and held all this power on deciding the president. The way he talked, I was certain he was voting for Obama. Everything he was saying about Palin and how that sunk McCain blah, blah, blah.

All along I thought he voted for Obama until this new election campaign started and he told me he voted for McCain This go around sounds exactly the same so I fully expect him to walk in the voting booth and pull the lever for Romney. And he lives in a swing state too.

Response to FSogol (Original post)

 

Democratopia

(552 posts)
16. This isn't an easy election for some people and that is why they are undecided
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

They are told Obama has made a complete mess of things, that Obama has been on a spending binge, wasted trillions, run up the debt, increased taxes, etc. But then they look at the people who are telling that story and they really aren't sure how to vote. That is why it is imperative that Obama makes a strong case in the next debates. This election is so close, we need those voters, however few they may be.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
20. and that's why I have little faith in many americans
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oct 2012

who apparently have short term memories. they need to go back to little boot's administration and look at some graphs. how many DECENT jobs lost under little boot's, how deregulating created bad loans, and how little boot's big pharma giveaway (screw the elderly) actually created more deficit and gave big pharma a windfall. also, his bogus iraq war while decreasing taxes on the wealthy further increased the deficit. you don't start wars without asking for increase in taxes. hey, but he succeeded, his wealthy friends got even wealthier and the rest of us got poorer. little boots increased the deficit over 80% and I believe we lost over 4 million jobs. so, tell me how the wealthy were going to create all those jobs if we give them obscene tax breaks? also, the people got enronized, especially their 401ks and pensions under little boots.

in the next debate, president obama needs to bring this up and also he needs to explain how the teabaggers in congress have stalled two jobs bills while using attacks about jobs. how utterly obscene. he needs to explain how he has even attempted to compromise with them to get things done (sometimes at our detriment) like the obscene tax extension.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
17. CNN's poll WAS NOT "undecideds" it was "debate watchers"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:19 PM
Oct 2012

Almost all of the CNN sample had already made their choice. The

CBS poll was undecideds and Joe Cool won big with that audience. 50%-31% (19% tie)

alc

(1,151 posts)
18. I think many/most on TV are phony
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

I personally vote L, D, R, and other (my state often has many 3rd party candidates for president). I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I have no party (or political site like DU) that wants me. (I don't need to hear again how my position is illogical just trying to give you a view into some of the "stupid undecideds&quot

I feel as up on all the issues as just about anyone. I read a variety of news sources and boards like DU to try to understand issues from a variety of viewpoints. I have change my leaning 2 times in the last month and may again depending on a few things I'm paying most attention to this election. Nobody really excites me this time. Right now I'm leaning toward voting for one of the other parties on my states ballot - I will look at all of them and pick the one who is closest to my beliefs.

I think congress is where domestic changes should be done and a president's job is to provide some direction then work with congress the way they want to move domestic issues in his direction. The president should not be dictating legislation but should be providing direction. Obama was right to not tell congress exactly what to do in the ACA (but should have given more direction and leadership as they struggled) and Romney is right to not specify exactly what tax reform should be (he shouldn't provide hard requirements like $5 trillion. but "decrease rate, eliminate loopholes, and don't let the rich pay a smaller share" is a reasonable direction and congress should decide the details and total amount)

I think the president needs to provide strong international leadership which includes building personal relationships with foreign leaders (both allies and others). Debates are a small window into how the candidates may do in personal relationships, and saying "my fact checkers will get back to you tomorrow" does not impress me (last week's debate did change my current leaning and I'm very interested in the next 2). Policy does matter and who the president surrounds himself will is significant that. Libya has made me question the current policy, but I don't see where Romney would be any better.

 

Democratopia

(552 posts)
21. if you are socially liberal and fiscally conservative the Democrats are your natural home.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
Oct 2012

Compare the "fiscally conservative" Republicans with the Democrats.

It was Replicans who ran up the debt. From budget surpluses to trillion dollar yearly deficits under Bush. Obama has reduced the increase in borrowing, despite the cost of a slow recovery from the worst recession in our lifetimes. Look at the Republican plan - 5 trillion dollars in tax cuts. 2 trillion dollars more on defense. How is that going to be paid for? We have no idea. Your home is here, with Democrats.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
23. after eight nightmarish years of little boot's
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:44 PM
Oct 2012

i'm voting for the ones who will actually help the majority of americans, not just their plutocratic friends. i'm voting for the ones who will actually care about rebuilding our infrastructure, care about putting our soldiers needlessly in harms way, care about taking care of those soldiers, care about our educational system and not privatize the shite out of our government; thus making americans pay more for less and giving big corporations even more power over the people. Oh, wait, by then I believe it would be called fascism! where business and government supersede THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

I'm not voting for those who think about a privatized, voucher SS/medicare scheme. I don't believe in rewarding sociopaths on WS with our money after they've already conned us before. especially a deregulated WS! so, they lose our money, while they get even richer and shrug their shoulders and say well "buyer beware" it's your fault you lost your money. and then, the elderly can just die. and don't get me started on ryan's voucher scam. too bad kenny boy isn't here, he could have gone on a greed fest laughing all the way to the bank-chortling about how he "screwed" grandma just like some of his employees did during the california con job.

in other words I AM NOT VOTING FOR ROMNEY AND RYAN!

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
25. That's why it is so important for the religious right and repugs to destroy education
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:27 PM
Oct 2012

Especially by inserting religion into our government. Religious people have faith in their leader(s). Whether that be Jesus (or insert whatever god ) or their guy in their party. You don't question Jesus, he has a plan and everything is God's will. If you could create an entire country of people like that, imagine the power a group could wield just by having a population with the mentality of non-questioning followers?

And here I thought the movie Idiocracy was just a funny movie. It might be considered a documentary in about 20yrs if the rethugs get their way

Risen Demon

(199 posts)
29. Idiocracy was more satire and comedy
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

We all know in reality that people that stupid would end up either dying out or killing each other off. The movie was funny, nonetheless.

After watching it I pointed out that a real functioning society like that would have evil intelligent people who rule over the idiot class, which is why their whole lives are in shamble. I believe THIS would be the case if rethugs get their way. And the reasonable thinking class would be scapegoats and pariahs in an open season lynching.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
26. Undecided voter??
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:41 PM
Oct 2012

Horse shit!!.....I say,at this point,after ALL the sheer idiocy of the past couple years,anyone GENUINELY undecided shouldn't be trusted,alone,in public.Those people would need constant supervision,with someone at the ready to wipe the spittle from their chins,and keep bandaids on their knuckles.They would be "Rainman",except with no discernible talent.....

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
27. Gene Wilder says it best about undecided voters.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oct 2012


... or as political scientists kindly word it, "Low Information Voters".

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
28. One woman in the MSNBC focus group was an obvious GOP plant
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oct 2012

She voted the debate was a tie, yet she said the debate made her decide to vote for Romney. That makes no sense.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
31. Who does the media serve? If it were the masses, they'd be talking about
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:19 PM
Oct 2012

the stories at projectcensored.org.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
32. Nope, you're not. GOP shenanigans is my guess. If they succeed in stealing it,
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:28 PM
Oct 2012

they'll say, 'Well! I guess it was all those low information voters we all started talking about so much all of a sudden a few months ago. What a coincidence!'

Michigan Alum

(335 posts)
33. There is that small number of people who go from one side to another after watching debates, etc.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 02:43 PM
Oct 2012

You can see it in the poll numbers. Since they're only a tiny percentage of them they are hard to find. They are people who obviously just look at surface things instead of issues. I've never met any of them myself. They are probably not the people who end up on those political shows. Those are a bunch of attention-seeking narcissists who just want to be on tv probably.

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