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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:37 PM Oct 2012

How would it play if Obama called Romney a liar in the next debate. I mean actually using that word.

Not some mealy mouth fluff ("what Governor Romney said was not accurate"; "Governor Romney is being misleading...&quot , but actually used that word, the word liar in blunt English to refute some policy statement he makes during the debate.

Now, what makes us feel all good and revved up inside may not be what is best for the candidate winning votes from fickle voters.

I am not sure yet if that would be best or not. I could be persuaded either way.

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How would it play if Obama called Romney a liar in the next debate. I mean actually using that word. (Original Post) bluestateguy Oct 2012 OP
"That's a lie" would probably go over better. Call it like you see it, Barack! randome Oct 2012 #1
If part of a genuine indictment of Romney and reflecting genuine disgust wtmusic Oct 2012 #2
The problem with calling somebody a liar is... Speck Tater Oct 2012 #3
I don't think anyone believes Romney is abysmally stupid. nt wtmusic Oct 2012 #9
I do tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #11
Kind of like Obama's confiding with Dmitri Mevedev wtmusic Oct 2012 #21
But what they say is still a lie. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #22
if he did call him a liar, there would be fallout Enrique Oct 2012 #4
It won't work unless he says, "Mitt, you're a fucking liar." HopeHoops Oct 2012 #5
How about, "You, sir, are a fucking liar!"???? Iris Oct 2012 #24
As much as I'd love to see/hear it ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #6
He wouldn't call Nitt a liar-- it's too blunt ailsagirl Oct 2012 #7
Ann & Tagg Romney apparently fought Mitt's handlers before the debate to ... nenagh Oct 2012 #8
He won't and he doesn't need to. Note that Smokin' Joe made his point without ever once sinking into magical thyme Oct 2012 #10
"Facts matter" loyalsister Oct 2012 #14
Not "liar"... but "lie" would be okay cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #12
Not necessary and certainly not worth the risk. speedoo Oct 2012 #13
Lying yes, liar no. n/t Fearless Oct 2012 #15
Presidents should not call someone a liar Viva_La_Revolution Oct 2012 #16
"Not true" or "information that is 180 degrees opposite from what I know" bluestate10 Oct 2012 #17
With today's "liberally-biased media" ... Obama would not be able to get out of the White House fast zbdent Oct 2012 #18
Too crude. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #19
I think he should use malarkey. It's a perfect was to say you are full of sh*t without saying it. jillan Oct 2012 #20
no angry black man scenario - the media are just hoping to frame that story aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #23

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
2. If part of a genuine indictment of Romney and reflecting genuine disgust
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:42 PM
Oct 2012

it would be spectacularly successful.

I sense that Obama is a bit over-concerned with appearances, however, and forcing it out of context would backfire.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
3. The problem with calling somebody a liar is...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oct 2012

that person may actually be abysmally stupid and believe what they are saying. If that's the case, they aren't technically lying.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
11. I do
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:12 PM
Oct 2012

The fact that he would say inflammatory remarks at a fundraiser shows that, now any reasonably intelligent person would know that most people (especially his wealthy donors for sure) own cell phones, now don't you think your comments just MIGHT have a chance to reach the public? He should have never taken that chance.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
21. Kind of like Obama's confiding with Dmitri Mevedev
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:48 PM
Oct 2012

that it would be easier for him to deal with missile defense after the election?

I think it's surprisingly easy, especially for ol skoolers like Mitt, to have a fall sense of security. Especially when he wants to stroke the people who are handing over $50,000 for a plate of overcooked chicken.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. But what they say is still a lie.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:13 PM
Oct 2012

In the common usage, one who tells a lie is a liar whether he knows it is a lie or not.

If you don't call someone who tells a lie a liar, what do you call them?

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
4. if he did call him a liar, there would be fallout
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oct 2012

people would freak out all over the place.

But this video would help him handle the freak out:

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. As much as I'd love to see/hear it ...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:47 PM
Oct 2012

that is NOT what is expected of a sitting President, or anyone to be considered a Statesman.

You do recall the "You lie" moment during the SOTU Address. Right?

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
8. Ann & Tagg Romney apparently fought Mitt's handlers before the debate to ...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:10 PM
Oct 2012

let 'Mitt be Mitt' during the debate. The Mitt released was the multimillionaire Bain exec who felt entitled to wipe the floor with his opponent...

This Mitt 2.0, for the first time, is free to be his authoritarian, confident self.... less wooden, more assertive.

Calling this Mitt a liar..may not come across well to the viewer, because, in his own mind he is completely authentic, probably for the first time in the campaign.

That is why I hope a team of experts, including psychological experts... are helping with lines of attack against this very dangerous man.


 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
10. He won't and he doesn't need to. Note that Smokin' Joe made his point without ever once sinking into
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:11 PM
Oct 2012

that swamp.

While Obama isn't Biden and shouldn't try to channel him, he should take a few pages out of Biden's book and make them his own. Certain mantras, repeated over and over, such as:

"This is a FACT. And FACTS MATTER."

"Your math DOESN'T ADD UP."

Also note that Biden had a pattern to his interruptions. He refuted lies with interruptions in the background, for example, when Ryan was trying to compare Romney's 47% statement with a Biden gaffe, Biden in the background said,

"I mean what I say. And so does Governor Romney. I MEAN WHAT I SAY. AND SO DOES GOVERNOR ROMNEY."

The bottom line is they *know* what Romney's attacks will be:

"He stole $700B of Medicare money to pay for Obamacare."

"I did not cut one dime of Medicare benefits and that is a FACT. FACTS MATTER."
"I cut $700B in fraudulent payments to Providers. That is a FACT. and FACTS MATTER."

"He refused to give extra protection to Ambassador Stevens when he asked for it."

"We were not informed of Ambassador Stevens request. That is a FACT. FACTS MATTER."
"Republicans in Congress, including Congressman Ryan, cut $300M from the security budget. That is a FACT. FACTS Matter."

"He refused to put sanctions on Iran, and then when he did he let Russia and China write the sanctions."

"For the first time in history, the entire world is united in crippling sanctions against Iran. For the first time in history, I got Russia and China to join in sanctions. That is a FACT. And FACTS MATTER."

It's really not that complicated. There are not a million details that he needs to memorize or explain when countering their lies. Just simply, short statements repeated.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
14. "Facts matter"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:24 PM
Oct 2012

Speaking in the affirmative without addressing the person is more effective than getting into a school yard back and forth.

speedoo

(11,229 posts)
13. Not necessary and certainly not worth the risk.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:22 PM
Oct 2012

There are plenty of words that Obama can use to make the point that Romney has lied about virtually everything without actually using the word lie or liar.

dishonest, not being straight with the people, failing to be truthful, not telling the truth, not being honets, etc. etc.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
17. "Not true" or "information that is 180 degrees opposite from what I know"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:12 PM
Oct 2012

Liar is an aggressive word, too aggressive.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
18. With today's "liberally-biased media" ... Obama would not be able to get out of the White House fast
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:15 PM
Oct 2012

enough ...

the "l.b.m." would be watching the ratings as they filmed the protesters storming the gates of the White House even before the polls closed on 11/6.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. Too crude.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:08 PM
Oct 2012

If he wants to be serious he can say:
"The facts don't support your position"
"Facts matter"
"Your logic is flawed"

If he wants to use humor he can say:
"Horse hockey"
"Bullfeathers"
"What a load"

Biden's " malarky" was perfect for him.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
23. no angry black man scenario - the media are just hoping to frame that story
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:20 PM
Oct 2012

He needs to do it energetically but with a smile and without name-calling, even if it's justified. "That's not accurate" is probably all the media will let him get away with.

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