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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsa tragic note about both Obama and Romney
Of course, they are different...
Of course, I am voting Obama because GOP policies are deadly, especially the ultra-toxic, money-mutated form that is unsafe at any dose.
But these two reveal a lot about America, it's graces, and it's fatal flaw.
Mitt is the great great grandson of Parley Pratt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parley_P._Pratt
This fellow was one of the early Mormons, indeed, almost a rival to brigham Young, even to Joe Smith himself. Keep in mind, at this point, Mormons were an outcast group, at the butt end of what cannot be called anything else but a campaign of extermination. The Mormons literally were chased to Utah, and even when they somehow made it habitable, there was a campiagn to chase them out of what was considered a wasteland. Pratt comes in because he was even more of an outcast, because he did not want to give up the idea of plural marriage. He was literally killed because of this, and in revenge, the Mormons pertpetrated their own atrocity, the Mountain meadows massacre.
The point being, Mitt comes from the blood of outcasts who were hated and killed, by an America that did NOT WANT THEM.
Obama'slife is well documented, but the ways he was an outcast are even clearer. His father abandoned him, his mother dumped him with his grandmother. Of course, being half white, and half black, he never fit in with either side. Even now, the Whites think he is African, and the Cornell Wests accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.
And yet, both of these two outcasts seem to think that being accetped is only a matter of talkiing, of showing them that really, honestly, if they were given a chance, America would accept them. They are so eager to seem reasonable, because they really, really want to prove that they are part of America, and that they have a lot to offer. It is the wooing of a lover, the trying to please the mother..
That never really wanted you, that will never really want you, and will gladly sell you down the river to feed her addictions.
Do not let the GOP cheerleaders fool you: Mitt is useful for getting those taxes lowers, or for kicking Obama out, but the second he deviates from what Grover Norquist and the Kockes want, they will call him a dirty Mormon lying bsatrd, and impeach him. Why do you think Koch wanted Ryan, because Ryan is the one they actually want, and it would be easy to say "Mitt, give it up for Paul." Let's not count out actual "accidents", though all they have to do is threaten his kids. Do you think the powers that be are abofve dragging the prophet himself in, and having him give a speech like "Mitt, your son Tagg is the one meant for the prophecy,resign."
As far as Obama, let's be honest, while some on the left loved him, they also turned on him when he was not the image that flattered their vanity. Read how Jane Hamsher, Maureen Dowd, Ted rall, Arianna H.and allthe so called "left" turn on him. Hillary may weant the presidency, but she also realizes that all that hate was probably prepped for her too, because, just like Mitt and Barack,she is another outcast thinking she can be the one that changes America, that makes it accept her.
The sad thing is, is that America will reject her too. Because there is a large gulf between the Myth of America, the one that says "Come to me, offer your talents, and you will find acceptance", and the real one where insiders sit back, and watch as the fools chasing the American dream pick their crops.
There is an oft quoted Movie, "the Good Shepherd", where a Mafiosi asks a CIA goon what do the WASPS have as a culture:
The response is "The United states of America, the rest of you are just visiting."
The sad part is, in America, even the president of the united states, whoever gets elected, is really "just visiting." The real change will only come when whoever wins the office realizes that America really does not want him or her, and then says:
"Hey,Plutocrats,the ones hiding behind the Uncle Sam poster, let's skip the bull. I know you hate me and the people that voted for me, the feelings are mutual. But you need ME, and even more than me, you need the people that voted for me, and the only thing keeping you from being tarred, feathered and lynched is our goodwill. You throw some loaves instead of crumbs, and maybe you will make it, if not, I am prepared to stoke and unleash the full fury of the masses on you, even if it kills me in the process. Your Move."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)"And yet, both of these two outcasts seem to think that being accetped is only a matter of talkiing, of showing them that really, honestly, if they were given a chance, America would accept them. They are so eager to seem reasonable, because they really, really want to prove that they are part of America, and that they have a lot to offer. It is the wooing of a lover, the trying to please the mother.."
This is one of the strangest analyses of these men I've read.
A centimillionaire feels "unaccepted" in or by America? Romney and all the rest of the Mormons have, if anything, superiority, NOT inferiority, complexes.
Obama is a desperate suitor, feeling rejected, an outcast? He fit VERY WELL into his Hawaiian life, his Columbia life, his Chicago life.
And your combo of "the wooing of a lover, the trying to please the mother" is too Oedipal to credit.
efhmc
(14,726 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Because, keep in mind, during the early days, that is what happened. Joe Smith was called the "Mohamed of the midwest."
I picked that analogy for a reason, yes, much of what is called Islam is vile, sexist and violent. It bears no relation to the religion founded by someone that expressly banned targeting civilians, women and children, and it does nto reflect the man who wrote "The ink of the scholar is worth more than the blood of the Martyr." Peace be upon old MO, who would not be happy with modern Islam.
That being said, as vile as modern Islamic fundamnetalism is, no liberal should rejoice at women and children being killed. The point was to bring up that Mormons are descended from people who were hated ever bit as much as Al-Qaida, yet they wanrt so much to be accpeted, the mainstream.
Meanwhile, the real people who define what America is light another five hundred-dollar cigar, pour themselves another thirty-year old scotch, and laugh.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The ego of the mormons is like all ego, to hide insecurity. The bigger the ego, the more fragile the feet of the clay. The complex is ubnique, as Mitt, Obama and yes, Hillary, really really feel that they are examples OF America. They think they understand this place, and sadly, they don't. They cannot understand why Joe Middle Class sixpack HATES them, always hated them, and even if they were to lay platinum and diamonds at their feet, will ALWAYS hate them. They cannot see that Joe Wallstreet hates them more, even if they make them rich.
Bill Clinton does, which is why he is, despite clear blunders, a candidate for the most powerful politican alive.
no_hypocrisy
(46,114 posts)The "visitors" in the U.S. collectively are now the majority. WASPs have more money and arguably influence and power, but if organized, the visitors have the votes. The outcast designation only goes so far in explaining the status of MR and BO.
ananda
(28,860 posts)What does a liberal leftie expecting policies that favor real
people over corporations have to do with "vanity"?
What does a liberal leftie expecting policies that favor peace
and green independent energy over warfare and exploitation
overseas have to do with "vanity"?
When did concern for people's lives and the tragedy
of the commons become causes more about vanity than
retaining our common humanity?
Sheesh.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)If you did,you will see the ego that oozes from them. Note I did not say OWS, why, because despite attempts to co-opt them (often by the folks I named), OWS are still the outcasts. I am talking about the well-heeled left, the ones that deserved the phrase "limosine liberal", the people who, frankly, if Mitt wins, will make out like gangbusuters and have the sort of job security few can ever dream of.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I think its silly and nonsensical to attack their beliefs as crazy or strange while giving a pass to Christianity just because its "mainstream".
baldguy
(36,649 posts)He's certainly more "American" than the descendant of immigrant polygamists
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Way too many such speculative stories end in violence or threats of violence.