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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:16 AM Oct 2012

Would you ever vote for anyone that had most of their wealth in foreign accounts?

Personally, I would not.

How can that be good for America?

I would hesitate to vote for anyone with ANY investment in foreign countries, including properties in places like Costa Rica and Dominican Republic.

This is a big issue for me. I simply cannot believe someone would have the balls to run for President of the United States and have so much wealth spread around in other countries other than the one he wants to lead. What if there is a dispute between the two countries? Who's side do you take? The Bible says: Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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Would you ever vote for anyone that had most of their wealth in foreign accounts? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2012 OP
Agreed. MountainMazza Oct 2012 #1
One giant conflict of personal interest! Hell NO! Would not vote for such a despicable being. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #2
It would matter if they were advocating for more progressive tax systems if not then that would be uponit7771 Oct 2012 #3
It's un-American to cheat America, no matter how the crooks spin it. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #4
The Mitten is a good Christian GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #5
Which is exactly sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #34
"God, please save me from your followers!" rebuke Oct 2012 #47
There's a lot of wealth in Congress former-republican Oct 2012 #6
And if any of them are broadly invested overseas... kentuck Oct 2012 #7
It's funny former-republican Oct 2012 #9
My Dad always said that after a politician spends four years in office he should spend... Hubert Flottz Oct 2012 #20
Here's another list former-republican Oct 2012 #8
I assume most of those are invested in this country? kentuck Oct 2012 #10
When you have that much wealth you listen to your personal accountants former-republican Oct 2012 #11
It Matters mgardener Oct 2012 #12
Obama needs to call him on this Tuesday night SHRED Oct 2012 #13
Ask a Conservative ONE Question chuckstevens Oct 2012 #14
Not only invest most of your money offshore but cling2reality Oct 2012 #15
I vote for candidates based on their positions on issues and whether or not they can do the job Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #16
His signs say "believe in America", but he invests in off shore banking.... Historic NY Oct 2012 #17
"Believe in America" should be prosecuted as false advertising tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #18
Would you ever vote for anyone that had most of their wealth in foreign accounts? Flashmann Oct 2012 #19
RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS, Mitt! ffr Oct 2012 #21
how did madoff miss shaking down this asshole? bocaoma Oct 2012 #22
No. I would vote to have a large foreign investment tax on these people.........nft plethoro Oct 2012 #23
NOPE Buddaman Oct 2012 #24
When the story broke about the Bush family and Paraguay... KansDem Oct 2012 #25
It is a second Ranch if this sucker goes under and a french revolution ensues. DhhD Oct 2012 #32
Hell no! oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #26
Never! ywcachieve Oct 2012 #27
Yes, indeed. And an even bigger insult, to se 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #30
I'm not so sure that's what the biblical quote means, but... VPStoltz Oct 2012 #28
Is that the same thing as sending your corp.'s American jobs, overseas?? 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #29
But not all of them are running for President... kentuck Oct 2012 #44
Yes, it does. But I was taking a dig @ the amt. of voters who act... 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #45
Not if they refused to disclose tax returns, beat the invest in America drum and geckosfeet Oct 2012 #31
Never, ever. That's unAmerican. Zoeisright Oct 2012 #33
Nice biblical catch. Betsy Ross Oct 2012 #35
never it's un-American Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #36
Conflict Of Interest. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #37
Its possible the Kerrys had offshore accounts. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #38
Well I would! lonestarnot Oct 2012 #39
You voted against John Kerry? HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #41
K&R If it were ever a choice, I wouldn't vote for anyone that has great wealth. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #40
Not a chance. Almost as bad as working for one. nt raouldukelives Oct 2012 #42
It isn't just that he has investments and money all over the world PatSeg Oct 2012 #43
That is so at the heart of it all, Kentuck. That and Bainport. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #46
What is so laughable is that Paul Ryan flyguyjake Oct 2012 #48
This idea just furthers the sickness of isolationism. This is a disease, people who think this way RB TexLa Oct 2012 #49

uponit7771

(90,344 posts)
3. It would matter if they were advocating for more progressive tax systems if not then that would be
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:20 AM
Oct 2012

...a big red flag that they are welfare kings

 

GulleyJimson

(107 posts)
5. The Mitten is a good Christian
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oct 2012

So says Ecclesiastes 10: 16- 20

“Woe to you, O land whose king was a servant and whose princes feast in the morning. Blessed are you, O land whose king is of noble birth and whose princes eat at a proper time-- for strength and not for drunkenness. If a man is lazy, the rafters sag; if his hands are idle, the house leaks. A feast is made for laughter, and wine makes life merry, but money is the answer for everything. Do not revile the king even in your thoughts, or curse the rich in your bedroom, because a bird of the air may carry your words, and a bird on the wing may report what you say.”

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
34. Which is exactly
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

what one would expect a king to say. In this case, Solomon, or one of his PR ghost scribes who wrote it nearly a millennium before there were any Christians.

rebuke

(56 posts)
47. "God, please save me from your followers!"
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:17 PM
Oct 2012

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
- Robert Pirsig (1948-)

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
7. And if any of them are broadly invested overseas...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:36 AM
Oct 2012

They should not be in Congress, imo. It doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
9. It's funny
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:40 AM
Oct 2012

I wish I could find an article where it showed how much members of congress net worth increased after spending a few years in office.

I can't remember the article.

If you're not a millionaire when you go in , you become one while sitting in office.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
20. My Dad always said that after a politician spends four years in office he should spend...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:13 AM
Oct 2012

Four in the Pen. He was seldom, if ever, wrong, about politics.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
10. I assume most of those are invested in this country?
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:42 AM
Oct 2012

Although I might have doubts about Feinstein and a couple of others? It's not about being wealthy per se. It's about taking your wealth and putting it overseas to escape paying taxes to your own country.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
11. When you have that much wealth you listen to your personal accountants
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

they don't handle it them selves.

If we were to dig deep , they all have tax shelters set up.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
12. It Matters
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:55 AM
Oct 2012

It matters that you are Responsibility and pay taxes on the money you make.
It matters if you expect Others to pay taxes, yet you don't.
It matters if you put your money where your mouth is. In the US.
It matters if you are running for POTUS and we are in a dire financial crisis.
It matters where you put your money.


 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
14. Ask a Conservative ONE Question
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:57 AM
Oct 2012

If you want to REALLY piss-off a conservative and leave them literally babbling, ask them one question: Imagine if candidate Barrack Obama had millions in Switzerland and Caribbean Islands and refused to release 10 years of his tax returns? How would Fox "News" have covered that story?

cling2reality

(56 posts)
15. Not only invest most of your money offshore but
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:58 AM
Oct 2012

then use "Believe in America" as your campaign slogan when you obviously do not.

That is some real dishonest disconnect. Almost a blatant in your face about it to the voters.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
16. I vote for candidates based on their positions on issues and whether or not they can do the job
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:00 AM
Oct 2012

and to what extent they are morally questionable. I assume most people and especially highly ambitious politicians are morally questionable - so that is purely a question of a matter of degrees. Whether they have foreign bank accounts or engage in kinky s and m sex does not personally concern me. But if the candidate is someone I definitely do not want elected - I have no problems using that against them if it can help defeat them and elect someone I would prefer..

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
18. "Believe in America" should be prosecuted as false advertising
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:05 AM
Oct 2012

There's no way his massive overseas investments shows he believes in America at all, in fact, that shows that he doesn't believe in it.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
25. When the story broke about the Bush family and Paraguay...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:31 AM
Oct 2012
Bush allegedly bought land in Paraguay in 2006, a roughly 98,840 acre parcel in the Paso de Patria area called "Chaco", close to the intersections of Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil. Apparently, it's a gorgeous spot. The land is close to the Bolivian wetlands, is situated near natural gas reserves, and sits atop one of the largest aquifers in the world, the Guarani indigenous water region. Part of the property has been designated an ecological reserve. And wow, they think of everything, it's close to the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base. The U.S. officially denies having troops there except for "exercises", and vigorously denies rumors of having its own base there.

Jenna Bush was sent on a "family mission" the first week of October '06 to seal the deal, accompanied by 10 security guards. She met the President of Paraguay and the U.S. Ambassador and "officially" traveled with UNICEF to see a few of their projects, a "strictly private" tour.

Apparently, Bush Sr. owns roughly 173,000 acres in the same area, although there are no confirmed reports. But, here is the strange part: none other than the Reverend Sun Myung Moon was the first to buy a huge chunk in 2000, in that very area. The Moonies have big plans: they want to develop ports, universities, an eco-tourism resort (will his an Bush's intersect?), and reinvigorate the timber trade to Asia. They are in Argentina already, but it seems they are branching out. And it seems like the Bushes followed him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/04/28/328588/-Resurrecting-the-Bush-Huge-Land-Acquisition-in-Paraguay-Story


I wondered about the wisdom of having a sitting president own so much land on another continent. I remember a writer at the time referring to the Bush family as wanting to be the "Saudis of water." But on a more immediate level, how would such an arrangement affect the president's foreign policy decisions regarding that part of the world?

"Conflict of interests," anyone?

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
28. I'm not so sure that's what the biblical quote means, but...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:03 AM
Oct 2012

I think the term "economic patriotism" is apt.
The country has been SO "f"ing good to people like Mittons and what does he and the Koch's and Andelson and Limbaugh and Welch, etc. do? Tear down the system and accuse the President for their perceived/invented problems.

 

21 December 2012

(45 posts)
29. Is that the same thing as sending your corp.'s American jobs, overseas??
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:05 AM
Oct 2012

If so, then

60-million voters sided with such idiocy, in '04....And 57-million did, in '08 election

 

21 December 2012

(45 posts)
45. Yes, it does. But I was taking a dig @ the amt. of voters who act...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:05 PM
Oct 2012

Actually support a President with the mindset of "yey, it's okay to rape our Capitalistic Democracy by allowing the wealthy to have overseas acct's for avoiding taxes, including on their Corp.'s when they send jobs overseas" ...as those voters are the reason America has a broken Right Wing/will never soar like an Eagle.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
31. Not if they refused to disclose tax returns, beat the invest in America drum and
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:12 AM
Oct 2012

vilified tax cheats and loopholes.

It's one thing to run on a platform of invest overseas, shelter your wealth and don't pay taxes if that's what you do. But to lie and fraudulently run on principles that you do the exact opposite of is... psychotic.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
38. Its possible the Kerrys had offshore accounts.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:12 PM
Oct 2012

I would not use the holding of offshore accounts as a disqualifying line in the sand, but as one aspect of a broader picture.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
41. You voted against John Kerry?
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:27 PM
Oct 2012

Would you have voted against JFK if he held offshore accounts?
Myself, I would look at what kind of track record they had, what their vision for America's future was, how much of their wealth was in overseas investments, and what those investments were in. I would not use, as an example, a fraction of a candidates wealth invested in Mercedes or Toyota (both of whom have US factories employing US workers) as a disqualifying action. A large investment in South African gold mines, Nigerian oil wells, or Asian sweat-shops I probably would.

PatSeg

(47,468 posts)
43. It isn't just that he has investments and money all over the world
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
Oct 2012

He is so clueless that he doesn't see what is wrong with that and that bothers me just as much. He has been running or planning on running for president for well over a decade, probably longer, and he never thought it would be appropriate to "clean house" and bring his money back to the U.S.

For a man who is supposedly so smart, surely he knew his tax returns would become an issue, but he seems to think he is above all that.

The more I learn about the man, it becomes hard to believe he is real. If he were a movie character, no one would believe he could be this close to the Oval Office.

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
48. What is so laughable is that Paul Ryan
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:24 PM
Oct 2012

has be on video a few times saying that he & Romney will close the very loopholes that Romney uses to stash his cash in tax havens. Now Romney says, "That aint happening!"

We desperately need to pass a law that prohibits tax havens.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
49. This idea just furthers the sickness of isolationism. This is a disease, people who think this way
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
Oct 2012

are diseased and need help.
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