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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:00 AM Oct 2012

AP's latest outrage: Are black voters racist for supporting Obama?

http://azstarnet.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/black-voters-loyalty-to-obama-raises-racism-issue/article_be8547ec-d684-5041-8bdb-2000a58ee033.html

There it is, right in the first paragraph: "SOME ARE SAYING." Sheesh! And they even use the n-word, uncensored (I've dashed it out below), near the top of the story.

Black voters' loyalty to Obama raises racism issue

Surviving slavery, segregation and discrimination has forged a special pride in African-Americans. Now some are saying this hard-earned pride has become prejudice in the form of blind loyalty to President Obama.

Are black people supporting Obama mainly because he's black? If race is just one factor in blacks' support of Obama, does that make them racist? Can blacks' support for Obama be compared with white voters who may favor his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, because he's white?

These questions have long animated conservatives who are frustrated by claims that white people who oppose Obama's policies are racist. Last week, when a black actress who tweeted an endorsement of Romney was subjected to a stream of abuse from other African-Americans, the politics of racial accusation came full circle once again.

Stacey Dash, who also has Mexican heritage, is best known for the 1995 film "Clueless" and the recent cable-TV drama "Single Ladies." On Twitter, she was called "jigaboo," "traitor," "house n----r" and worse after posting, "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future."
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AP's latest outrage: Are black voters racist for supporting Obama? (Original Post) Newsjock Oct 2012 OP
Omg Lefta Dissenter Oct 2012 #1
They're "only asking the question" Newsjock Oct 2012 #2
not racist.. just more common sense n/t rsweets Oct 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Oct 2012 #7
Agreed brush Oct 2012 #36
That actually looks like a Cavuto mark... n/t backscatter712 Oct 2012 #11
Why not title it- Republicanlibertarianteaparty offers all minorities, women, Gays, Jews nothing graham4anything Oct 2012 #33
I'm speaking as a white woman who has no clue what a person of color goes through justiceischeap Oct 2012 #3
and if she is the nominee-of course we will count on you voting for Hillary45 in 2016 and 2020 graham4anything Oct 2012 #34
90+% of black voters vote for a Democratic candidate for President... Connie_Corleone Oct 2012 #4
+1 young but wise Oct 2012 #13
And mine too.... BronxBoy Oct 2012 #24
Bet most black folks wouldn't vote for Herman Cain. BenzoDia Oct 2012 #6
Good point Lefta Dissenter Oct 2012 #8
And we don't have a Senator Michael Steele from Maryland either Zambero Oct 2012 #22
+1 geckosfeet Oct 2012 #26
Are white voters racist for supporting Romney? mnhtnbb Oct 2012 #9
Certainly quite a few of them are (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #27
This race stuff is Rovian... LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #10
One factor in peoples support for president Obama may be because he is black, geckosfeet Oct 2012 #12
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #14
Good drop...plus Blacks still follow Dr. MLKJr.'s path which h... 21 December 2012 Oct 2012 #35
Right wing talking point proud2BlibKansan Oct 2012 #15
Taking a page out of coulter. How come minorities are always asked to live up to some standard set still_one Oct 2012 #16
Black votes for Democrats are a rational expression of self-interest BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #17
Black voters have overwhelmingly voted Democratic for 50+ years Zambero Oct 2012 #18
Aren't 90+ percent of Mormons voting for Romney? apples and oranges Oct 2012 #19
I have a question ... how is it NOT racist to say that a black man got where he is zbdent Oct 2012 #20
And none other than Clarence Thomas... Zambero Oct 2012 #23
The paper is carrying on the tradition of the Pulliam family (Dan Quayle) LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #21
i noticed no one wanted to take credit for writing the ap piece madrchsod Oct 2012 #25
I unfriened someone after the 1st debate over this kind of bullshit. Iris Oct 2012 #28
For over 100 years, black voters have voted for white men, I think that rather makes the point Fresh_Start Oct 2012 #29
exactly. I'm not even going to read the article but I doubt it even touches the fact that Iris Oct 2012 #30
Ah, so it's the black people's fault for not supporting a racist party Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #31
Are Romney voters anti-dog? eom mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #32

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
1. Omg
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:04 AM
Oct 2012

Are they saying that black people are just too stupid to understand which candidate will serve the citizens of our country, and which one will serve his own?

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
2. They're "only asking the question"
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:06 AM
Oct 2012

See, in 21st-century journalism, including that question mark makes it All OK. Because, y'know, they're only asking. And if we can't ask, then the terrorists have won, natch?


Response to rsweets (Reply #5)

brush

(53,778 posts)
36. Agreed
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:04 PM
Oct 2012

That's right, rsweets. Most black folk aren't stupid and they know what party harbors the racist GOPteaparty types. And I'm guessing they like to be able to look in the mirror in the morning and know they aren't aligning themselves with people who have time and again shown disdain and hatred for blacks. And another MINOR DETAIL regarding the post, black folks have supported other presidential candidates until now, all of them white by the way. And many of those candidates have gotten a very high percentage of the black vote. Were blacks racists then for supporting all white candidates? A ridiculous question, right? But I say no more ridiculous than the question posed by the original post.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
33. Why not title it- Republicanlibertarianteaparty offers all minorities, women, Gays, Jews nothing
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

after all that is a positive headline
the other a debbie downer sad sam cutten runner to use the demoralization of the troops, political tool

a glass half empty is also half full

and why not make a positive out of a negative

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
3. I'm speaking as a white woman who has no clue what a person of color goes through
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:06 AM
Oct 2012

but I will say this... it could be because people of color don't feel as though a white person "gets" them, therefore, voting for a white candidate is voting against their own best interests. For me, the immediate comparison is the Log Cabin Republicans. As a lesbian, I could never vote Republican (and often have a hard time voting for Democrats) because it's voting against my own best interests. As a woman, I could never see myself voting Republican because of the way they see and legislate for (against) women.

I supported Hillary over Barack because she was a woman and I felt she had more political experience than President Obama and would understand and support the best interests of women. Does that make me sexist? Maybe but I don't think so, it makes me human.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
34. and if she is the nominee-of course we will count on you voting for Hillary45 in 2016 and 2020
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

as said above, this thread title should be

republicantealibertarianparty offers all Minorities, Women, Gays and Jews NOTHING

and a vote not for the democrats or in rare cases where people are running (Like Angus King or Charlie Crist in 2010)who is independent)who will caucus with the democrats is 100% a vote for the republicans.(which is how Rubio in Florida was elected.)

Connie_Corleone

(9,330 posts)
4. 90+% of black voters vote for a Democratic candidate for President...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:10 AM
Oct 2012

Whether they're black or white. AP can kiss my black ass.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
24. And mine too....
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oct 2012

Notice that we never see any polls asking whether white conservatives vote they way they do because of the color of their skin.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
22. And we don't have a Senator Michael Steele from Maryland either
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
Oct 2012

Black voters there overwhelmingly voted for his white male Democratic opponent in that race, who won largely on the basis of that support. Republicans figured Steele would have been a shoo-in with overwhelming black support. They were wrong, since most voters will ultimately support a candidate who reflects their values and best interests, regardless of what their ethnicity or racial demographic might happen to be.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. So ...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

white folks vote for the white candidate:, it's because of the issues; when Black folks vote for the Black candidate, it's because of tribalism? In order to begin to believe that one would have to:

1. Ignore nearly 50 years of voting history, i.e., The African-American electorate has supported the Democratic candidate, without regarding for the race of that candidate;

2. Ignore more recent election recents ... the African-American electorate did not largely support the presidential runs of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Herman Cain;

3. Completely ignore the gop platform.

I added a fourth point in my post in the Daily Star comment section ...

4. Completely ignore the gop's platform and it's candidate.
 

21 December 2012

(45 posts)
35. Good drop...plus Blacks still follow Dr. MLKJr.'s path which h...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:55 AM
Oct 2012

He and his dad started Black America onto, in 1959-'60.

That's when they promised JFK that they would deliver him the Black Vote, in exchange for intrepid Legislation;

Civil Rights Act of 1964, was borne

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
15. Right wing talking point
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:21 AM
Oct 2012

They've been spouting this for a couple years now on their blogs.

The fact that white folks have been voting for white guys for a couple hundred years now seems to escape them.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
16. Taking a page out of coulter. How come minorities are always asked to live up to some standard set
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:21 AM
Oct 2012

by the bigots?

I find it funny that the President is criticized in ways no "white" president ever was. Why don't they ask that question

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
17. Black votes for Democrats are a rational expression of self-interest
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:23 AM
Oct 2012

Which is a lot more than you can say for middle- and lower-class white people voting Republican.

What an embarrassing article.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
18. Black voters have overwhelmingly voted Democratic for 50+ years
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:25 AM
Oct 2012

During this timeframe, in every presidential election prior to 2008, black citizens voted for a white male candidate at the top of the ticket by margins of 9-1 or better. If Hillary had been the nominee they almost certainly would have provided her with the same lopsided margin that Obama received. Is AP suggesting that they should have bucked a historical trend and backed McCain-Palin simply to prove they weren't "prejudiced" against white people? Most citizens vote for the party and/or candidate that reflects their values and best interests. As a case in point, Michael Steele lost a Senate race in Maryland some years ago largely because a large majority of blacks voted for a white male candidate on the Democratic ticket, and NOT for a candidate on the basis of race. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that things have changed in recent years with black voters, given the most recent Democratic presidential nominee, who coincidentally is of mixed black-white heritage.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
20. I have a question ... how is it NOT racist to say that a black man got where he is
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
Oct 2012

SOLELY because of "Affirmative Action"?

Because that's how they describe Obama ... but they conveniently forget that Condascending Rice and Colin Powell admit they received help BECAUSE of Affirmative Action.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
23. And none other than Clarence Thomas...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:40 AM
Oct 2012

took every opportunity to climb the affirmative action ladder available to him, although he has consistently attempted to pull it up from behind him since being confirmed to the SCOTUS, lest others be afforded the same opportunity.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
25. i noticed no one wanted to take credit for writing the ap piece
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:55 AM
Oct 2012

so the ap runs an opinion piece by an unknown writer....

is`t it amazing just how far journalism has fallen in this country...

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
29. For over 100 years, black voters have voted for white men, I think that rather makes the point
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:13 AM
Oct 2012

clearly that blacks are not as racists as the whites who are trying to find any excuse (he's not American, he was born in Kenya, he's a muslim) to vote against Obama.

Iris

(15,657 posts)
30. exactly. I'm not even going to read the article but I doubt it even touches the fact that
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:25 AM
Oct 2012

there have probably been many, many elections across the country where a black person was running and white folks voted against them because of their race.

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
31. Ah, so it's the black people's fault for not supporting a racist party
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:30 AM
Oct 2012

And not the racist white party, who counts a number of "slavery was good" politicians, who's at fault?

Just like when all the white people complain about why all those Blacks/Latinos/Asians self-segregate, when they should really look at themselves and ask why all of the people in their own social circle are white.

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