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kpete

(71,994 posts) Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:00 AM Oct 2012

Catholic church to lose historic property tax exemption in Italy

Catholic church to lose historic property tax exemption in Italy

Italy’s Catholic Church will be forced to pay taxes starting in 2013 after the EU pressured the country’s government to pass a controversial law stripping the Church of its historic property tax exemption.

The Catholic Church in Italy is excluded from paying taxes on its land if at least a part of a Church property is used non-commercially – for instance, a chapel in a bed-and-breakfast.

"The regulatory framework will be definite by January 1, 2013 – the start of the fiscal year – and will fully respect the [European] Community law," Italian premier Mario Monti's government said in a statement on Tuesday.

The move could net Italy revenues of 500 million to 2 billion euros annually across the country, municipal government associations said. The extra income from previously exempt properties in Rome alone – including hotels, restaurants and sports centers – could reach 25.5 million euros a year, La Repubblica daily newspaper reported.

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http://rt.com/news/italy-church-tax-exemption-339/

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Catholic church to lose historic property tax exemption in Italy (Original Post) kpete Oct 2012 OP

Who said " Render on to Caesar what is Caesar's " ? orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #1

Jesus said it. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #5

it was paul saying jesus said it. he never met jesus roguevalley Oct 2012 #6

Shelby Foote never met Robert E. Lee, but I believe what he orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #11

consider this. Shelby Foote had books and interviews by people WHO KNEW Lee. roguevalley Oct 2012 #21

Are you saying that Paul wrote the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #14

no. but he didn't stand next to jesus listening. He never met him. He didn't like roguevalley Oct 2012 #20

That's a big fucking deal BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #2

Yes it is. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #4

It's about time amuse bouche Oct 2012 #3

All of them, they're social clubs of choice . Schools, Hospitals and Parks orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #12

I agree, however amuse bouche Oct 2012 #18

Even that coalition Jesus put together knuckled under to MSM orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #19

My daughter took a trip out to Italy to tour the great works and Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #7

1. Vatican City is a sovereign nation. 2. No "Asians" own Italy's Catholic churches. 3. Where is the WinkyDink Oct 2012 #16

I'll ask her when she gets back home. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #17

nice. can we pls do that too? robinlynne Oct 2012 #8

Yeah, except it would put a lot of poor congregations out on the street Patiod Oct 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Oct 2012 #15

Ohh-Ohh Dominos! nc4bo Oct 2012 #9

Yes, with all religious institutions. porphyrian Oct 2012 #10

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)

1. Who said " Render on to Caesar what is Caesar's " ?

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:03 AM

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GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)

5. Jesus said it.

Reply to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:17 AM

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roguevalley

(40,656 posts)

6. it was paul saying jesus said it. he never met jesus

Reply to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:19 AM

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orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)

11. Shelby Foote never met Robert E. Lee, but I believe what he

Reply to roguevalley (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:54 AM

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said about him and what he said . I also believe in Jesus, Hence I Believe Paul did meet Jesus . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)

21. consider this. Shelby Foote had books and interviews by people WHO KNEW Lee.

Reply to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:25 PM

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Paul was not friendly with James and the others who knew Jesus. He never met Jesus. Your logic doesn't hold up. IMO.

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)

14. Are you saying that Paul wrote the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke?

Reply to roguevalley (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:25 PM

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http://bible.cc/mark/12-17.htm

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)

20. no. but he didn't stand next to jesus listening. He never met him. He didn't like

Reply to WinkyDink (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:23 PM

Oct 2012

Jesus's brothers and clashed with James. He spent four years in Saudi Arabia thinking up the divinity that he taught Jesus had. His own followers formulated the writing. He formulated the ideas.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)

2. That's a big fucking deal

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:06 AM

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lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)

4. Yes it is.

Reply to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:11 AM

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amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)

3. It's about time

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:10 AM

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I hope the common sense spreads here. The Mega churches are the biggest money making scams

Edit to add ...How I would love to see the Utah's LDS have to fork big bucks over.

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)

12. All of them, they're social clubs of choice . Schools, Hospitals and Parks

Reply to amuse bouche (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:01 PM

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should be the only exempt entities in the world .

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)

18. I agree, however

Reply to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:30 PM

Oct 2012

I would be willing to compromise with any single church, whose sole mission was to feed, house and clothe the poor

And they must have no political affiliations

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)

19. Even that coalition Jesus put together knuckled under to MSM

Reply to amuse bouche (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:47 PM

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Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)

7. My daughter took a trip out to Italy to tour the great works and

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:25 AM

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she learned that almost all of those historical buildings are owned by Asians!

Maybe the Vatican isn't as all powerful as people think it is.

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)

16. 1. Vatican City is a sovereign nation. 2. No "Asians" own Italy's Catholic churches. 3. Where is the

Reply to Baitball Blogger (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:31 PM

Oct 2012

LINK to that claim that "almost all of those historical buildings are owned by Asians!"??

Are you sure she didn't hear the (accurate) story that NYC's Little Italy has been encroached upon by Chinatown?!

(And I've been to Italy five times.)

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)

17. I'll ask her when she gets back home.

Reply to WinkyDink (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:38 PM

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She just took a tour of the place. I'll get the specifics.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)

8. nice. can we pls do that too?

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:39 AM

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Patiod

(11,816 posts)

13. Yeah, except it would put a lot of poor congregations out on the street

Reply to robinlynne (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:15 PM

Oct 2012

Our Quaker congregation is over 300 years old, as is our Meetinghouse. Our town, Plymouth Meeting is named after the Meetinghouse.

We are a small congregation which could NEVER afford to pay property taxes on it now that the surrounding area has become valuable, and would have to disband and sell the property to 1) developers or 2) the state, which has already tried to put an interstate through our graveyard.

I wouldn't mind going after the tax exempt status of those preaching politics off the altar, but a blanket condemnation of all religious tax exemption would kill us.

We don't preach politics during Meeting (though we might talk about it afterwards).