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still_one

(92,193 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:55 AM Oct 2012

A romney/ryan win it would mean if a woman has a fetus with spina bifida, or some other tragic

situation, she would be forced to carry to term, and not only be responsible for the financial burden, and have to endure the suffering of the family and the fetus that would occur

In other words there are other situations besides rape, incest, or the life of the mother, where abortion occurs, and those other situations are out of mind, out of sight of many people




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A romney/ryan win it would mean if a woman has a fetus with spina bifida, or some other tragic (Original Post) still_one Oct 2012 OP
Some kindly Republican would pay for the child's college. factsarenotfair Oct 2012 #1
Or...the woman will die trying to get an abortion that is not safe. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #2
of course not, the point I am making is they do not realize there are a lot of other situations /nt still_one Oct 2012 #3
I understand. And you are absolutely correct. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #6
It's just a hot-button issue for ultra-conservative "religious" sorts who don't understand the Bible HopeHoops Oct 2012 #4
don't be sorry for calling something as you see it. /nt still_one Oct 2012 #5
Well, that's how I see it. All the GOP has to run on is hate. They have no plan forward. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #7
Unlikely 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #8
You have heard of the Supreme Court? You are incorrect, both Romney and Ryan said they would still_one Oct 2012 #11
Oh well never mind 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #15
The GOP wants to roll women's rights back to the stone ages. Initech Oct 2012 #9
Someone has already coined the phrase American Taliban still_one Oct 2012 #10
I think the only difference is the burqas. Initech Oct 2012 #14
No it doesn't Yo_Mama Oct 2012 #12
Spina bifida is a "tragic situation"? KamaAina Oct 2012 #13
That sounds like you are advocating abortion in cases where the child would have a disability KamaAina Oct 2012 #16
List of people with spina bifida KamaAina Oct 2012 #17

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
2. Or...the woman will die trying to get an abortion that is not safe.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

First off, I am female. I've known several women in my lifetime who have had abortions, and with each of those women, had the procedure NOT been legal and available to them at the time they made the decision to have the abortion - - - they would have found a way.

This is what the idiots who want to overturn Roe v Wade don't get, or in more likelihood, don't care about. There will be women dying because of botched abortions.

I don't believe that there needs to be ANY justification for a women deciding to terminate a pregnancy. It should be the woman's choice and be between her, her health care provider, and anyone else who she chooses to enlist to discuss the situation with. Some women simply don't wish to have a child at the time they become pregnant. And I, personally, see nothing wrong with that.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
4. It's just a hot-button issue for ultra-conservative "religious" sorts who don't understand the Bible
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

I'm sorry, but most GOP voters are dumbfucks - guns, Jesus, anti-abortion, 6,000 year-old earth, and NO HOMOS! If you push those buttons, you've got their vote.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
8. Unlikely
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

I agree that there are some who want this to become a reality.

And romney is certainly pandering to them as much as he can without alienating the more moderate types.

But I highly doubt he'd have the clout or the interest in making that a reality.

If he did what would he use to energize his base in 2016?

It's a hot-button issue that get's some people riled up but isn't really going to happen. Just like if Ron Paul had won I really doubt we would have actually gotten back to the gold standard.

What a politician says and what he does aren't always the same thing. And right now there is no mass support for banning abortions.

Don't forget: a president isn't a king even if we've given the office a lot more power in recent years. He still has to get all this passed (if he even bothers) through both houses. And of course overturning Roe v Wade would not be in his power anyway.

still_one

(92,193 posts)
11. You have heard of the Supreme Court? You are incorrect, both Romney and Ryan said they would
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:18 PM
Oct 2012

Appoint judges so roe gets overturned

If you every watch Maddow there are a few states working on legislation to do just that

It is not unlikely, but a real possibility

Many have taken it for granted, saying it is unlikely

What is unlikely is citizens united will be overturned

That would take a Constitutional amendment

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
15. Oh well never mind
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:26 PM
Oct 2012

if a politician said something while campaigning then that is an ironclad promise.


It is not unlikely, but a real possibility
Many have taken it for granted, saying it is unlikely



A real possibility prior to every election should the republican win. It was going to happen in 2004, and 2000, and 1988, and 1984, and 1974 (just you wait!).

What is unlikely is citizens united will be overturned


Because it's impossible to overturn a supreme court ruling?

Initech

(100,076 posts)
9. The GOP wants to roll women's rights back to the stone ages.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:19 PM
Oct 2012

Really sometimes I wonder why we're at war with the Taliban. You'd think these idiots would make natural allies.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. No it doesn't
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:19 PM
Oct 2012

The president can't pass laws. Even the Congress can't pass laws that are unconstitutional, and abortion has been found to be a constitutional right.

Even if Romney is elected and the Republicans win the Senate, it seems totally impossible for the Republicans to win a filibuster-proof Senate. So SC nominees will still be vetted and blocked if they support overturning all the SC precedents.

Your point as to why abortions occur is quite valid, of course.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. Spina bifida is a "tragic situation"?
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:22 PM
Oct 2012

Tell it to my classmate from Yale. She has spina bifida. She uses a wheelchair. She also has a top job in NYC government and is happily married. Oh yes, she's also a good Dem!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. That sounds like you are advocating abortion in cases where the child would have a disability
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:27 PM
Oct 2012

that is not a progressive view AT ALL.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
17. List of people with spina bifida
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:59 PM
Oct 2012

Tanni Grey-Thompson - Welsh Paralympic athlete, member of British House of Lords
Blaine Harrison - lead singer, keyboards, rhythm guitarist and former drummer of the British band Mystery Jets
Rene Kirby - US actor in films such as Shallow Hal and Stuck on You
John Mellencamp - US rock and roll musician
Karin Muraszko - chair of Department of Neurosurgery at University of Michigan, first female appointed to such a position in the US
Jeffrey Tate - British conductor
Lucinda Williams - US country music singer/songwriter
Miller Williams - US poet
Justin Yoder - soapbox derby driver[citation needed]
Aaron Fotheringham - wheelchair "skater" and stunt performer
Richard Colman
Kerrie Engel
Guro Fjellanger
Theresa Goh
Lawrence Gwozdz
Robert M. Hensel
Tatyana McFadden
Deahnne McIntyre
David Proud
Jesse Richards
Lori and George Schappell
Matt Scott
Geoff Trappett
Dale Tryon, Baroness Tryon
Hank Williams

Do you suppose any of them view(ed) their lives as a "tragic situation"?

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